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<blockquote data-quote="Glyfair" data-source="post: 967654" data-attributes="member: 53">Exactly.&nbsp; I've had enough of the finger-pointing and sniping that goes along with the discussion about whether you like point buy or do you roll your stats.&nbsp; Personally, I like point buy (for reasons I've stated in one of the other threads).&nbsp; There are good and valid reason on both sides of the fence (as well as stupid reasons, too).I started this thread stating that it was for those who use the standard DMG point buy.&nbsp; That's what I wanted to hear and compare.&nbsp; What level suits you?That depends on your group, doesn't it?&nbsp; My group doesn't create character's from stereotypes (well, unless that's the character they happen to have in mind).&nbsp; The reason we prefer point buy is because we have a character in mind and want to run that one.&nbsp; To tell the truth, with the right group, I'd have no problem with letting them choose that stats they think their character would have (after I give them an idea of the campaign expected power level).&nbsp; Indeed, the campaign I played the longest in was a Melanda, Land of Mystery campaign.&nbsp; The GM told you to create your character and, as long as he ok'ed it, you could run it.&nbsp; It worked well for that group.The only thing I disagree about this is that it's an absolute statement.&nbsp; What you describe is heroism, it's certainly not the only definition of heroism.&nbsp; Yes, the everyman is a certain type of hero.&nbsp; So are Superman and Batman.&nbsp; I think if a thread was started that asked for a definition of heroism, it could go on for ages &amp; pages.&nbsp; Sure there are the everyman-type heros (ala David &amp; Bilbo).&nbsp; There are also the other end of the spectrum (Conan &amp; Superman).&nbsp; A lot depends on what you want the players to do.&nbsp; If you want to run a David vs. Goliath scenario, expect David to die a majority of the time, unless you stack the deck towards him (system-wise or by Deus Ex Machina).&nbsp; I do think that the type of campaign you are creating certainly would determine the level of point buy you'd choose.&nbsp; If you want the everyman game, you'd start at 25 points or less.&nbsp; If you want a game where Batman is a possible character, 40 points might be a too low.&nbsp; Glyfair of Glamis</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Glyfair, post: 967654, member: 53"] Exactly. I've had enough of the finger-pointing and sniping that goes along with the discussion about whether you like point buy or do you roll your stats. Personally, I like point buy (for reasons I've stated in one of the [I]other[/I] threads). There are good and valid reason on both sides of the fence (as well as stupid reasons, too). I started this thread stating that it was for those who use the standard DMG point buy. That's what I wanted to hear and compare. What level suits you? That depends on your group, doesn't it? My group doesn't create character's from stereotypes (well, unless that's the character they happen to have in mind). The reason we prefer point buy is because we have a character in mind and want to run [I] that one.[/I] To tell the truth, with the right group, I'd have no problem with letting them choose that stats they think their character would have (after I give them an idea of the campaign expected power level). Indeed, the campaign I played the longest in was a [I]Melanda, Land of Mystery[/I] campaign. The GM told you to create your character and, as long as he ok'ed it, you could run it. It worked well for that group. The only thing I disagree about this is that it's an absolute statement. What you describe is heroism, it's certainly not the only definition of heroism. Yes, the everyman is a certain type of hero. So are Superman and Batman. I think if a thread was started that asked for a definition of heroism, it could go on for ages & pages. Sure there are the everyman-type heros (ala David & Bilbo). There are also the other end of the spectrum (Conan & Superman). A lot depends on what you want the players to do. If you want to run a David vs. Goliath scenario, expect David to die a majority of the time, unless you stack the deck towards him (system-wise or by Deus Ex Machina). I do think that the type of campaign you are creating certainly would determine the level of point buy you'd choose. If you want the everyman game, you'd start at 25 points or less. If you want a game where Batman is a possible character, 40 points might be a too low. Glyfair of Glamis [/QUOTE]

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