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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 210016" data-attributes="member: 944">Points? When I used them I went for 40 points or so, I like fairly powerfull characters and believe me while I am squarely on the players side, I am very tough as a DM.Recently however I just stopped using points and let the players take what stats they like for their characters. Odd as it seems I have less trouble with that system then with the disparity of die rolling or the sometimes stuffy limits of point buy.Obviously I reserve the right to reject characters that are out of line but  buy and large the players are pretty happy with the pick system. Another option that works well for me is to make the characters myself. Give me your name, race class background etc and I will make character to fit. The players seems to like this option pretty well too.</blockquote>