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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2965015" data-attributes="member: 2011">Oh, you mean like the +4 to all saves at 2nd level with what I suggested here? What other class can get +4 to all of its saves due to ability scores at second level?Or turning undead 5 times per day at 4th level?This is still very playable.What I find interesting is the amount of entitlement that people express in the DND community any more. "Paladins suck without 45 or more point buy." There used to be a time in the 1E and 2E days when a character had to have a 15 (and usually 16) in an ability score (for most of them), just to get any +1. If a PC had a combined +4 in his ability modifiers, it was a tough PC.32 point buy is anywhere from +4 (2 18s and 4 8s) to +10 to abilities (or +11 with the right stat / race combo) and it is considered not sufficent, especially when the game designers suggest 25 point buy which is +6 max (less for PCs who put 15 or higher in stats, up to 7 for some races)? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>