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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Conaill" data-source="post: 760313" data-attributes="member: 1264">Gee, or maybe you could try a 25 point-buy instead! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yes, this discussion comes up about every other month, bith here and over on the Wizards' site. My standard reply to the 4d6 vs 25 point buy comparison is that point buy characters allows players to pick all even scores, which tends to make for a more powerful character than a rolled character with the same point value. Combine that with the additional customization point buy provides, and I would argue that 4d6 is about equivalent to 25 point buy, not 28 or even 32.If you want to combine some of the randomness and resistance to min/maxing of rolled stats with the fairness of point buy, there are several hubrid methods people have suggested. Here's a couple:- roll 4d6, then adjust up or down to a desired point value (caveat: if you need to adjust up, you can only increase stats, if you need to adjust down, you can only lower stats)- get a deck of cards and throw out anything except for 1-6. Deal 6 stacks of 4 cards, drop the lowest card in each stack- roll 3 stats using 4d6; the remaining three are equal to 25 minus the first three (max 18)</blockquote>