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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8516295" data-attributes="member: 6987520">I'm not surprised this was your experience but I still find it a bit odd personally because (as a player) I loathe having 8's or 9's.Using normal point-buy, my favorite array is 14, 14, 13, 12, 10 ,10; which with racial ASIs I can boost to 16, 14, 14, 12, 10, 10. Having a +3 for your main "thing", a couple +2's and even a +1 makes me pretty happy, since I also don't have any penalties.If the PC is human, I adjust it slightly and use the racial feat to get the missing +1 ASI, so the array is the same.Interesting. This is the standard array 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8 with the racial ASIs already factored in, bumping the 15 to 17 and the 14 to 15.Giving racial ASIs on top of that is a bit on the heavy side for my tastes, but appropriate you call it the "Heroic Array". I'm happy to hear it works well for your group! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />With my own preferences, I would probably use the +2 racial to bump the 8 to 10 (so no penalties anywhere) and the 13 to 14. Once we are playing, my first two feats would be half-feats bring the 17 to 18 and the 15 to 16. I've never felt like I needed a 20 to be happy with my character, so ASIs after that would all be for feats. If later feats happen to bring a +1 ASI, it is just happenstance.</blockquote>

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