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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7225330" data-attributes="member: 6799649">I've been off the Internet for a week, and I've just read the 20 pages of this thread that I missed.I can't be bothered to go through all 20 pages to find the post in question, but one post that made a point that motivated this reply was on the subject of &quot;people who roll are only doing so to get Mary-Sue&quot;. I won't bother to refute this idea as it should be obvious it refutes itself, but the specific point was made about the CR system being all messed up if high stat PCs are used, and the array '16, 16, 14, 12, 12, 12' was derided for being too high for the system to handle without breaking.Let's take your scenario idea and have two unarmoured barbarian humans instead of two fighter dwarves that have already made so much money from adventuring that they can both afford full plate armour at 4th level(!)....would you think that this would be at least as 'fair' a test as your own?Let's say that the 'so unplayable it's broken' array mentioned above was given to one twin, ending up with: Str 16 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 12 Wis 12 Cha 12.Now compare this with the other twin, made with point-buy: Str 16 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 8 Wis 10 Cha 8. Is there any difference at all when they do what they are intended to do: solo a hell hound, using your program?And yet, the first is deemed as so good it's breaking the system. Point-buy will not let you buy it, but it allows for more concepts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7225330, member: 6799649"] I've been off the Internet for a week, and I've just read the 20 pages of this thread that I missed. I can't be bothered to go through all 20 pages to find the post in question, but one post that made a point that motivated this reply was on the subject of "people who roll are only doing so to get Mary-Sue". I won't bother to refute this idea as it should be obvious it refutes itself, but the specific point was made about the CR system being all messed up if high stat PCs are used, and the array '16, 16, 14, 12, 12, 12' was derided for being too high for the system to handle without breaking. Let's take your scenario idea and have two unarmoured barbarian humans instead of two fighter dwarves that have already made so much money from adventuring that they can both afford full plate armour at 4th level(!)....would you think that this would be at least as 'fair' a test as your own? Let's say that the 'so unplayable it's broken' array mentioned above was given to one twin, ending up with: Str 16 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 12 Wis 12 Cha 12. Now compare this with the other twin, made with point-buy: Str 16 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 8 Wis 10 Cha 8. Is there any difference [b]at all[/b] when they do what they are intended to do: solo a hell hound, using your program? And yet, the first is deemed as so good it's breaking the system. Point-buy will not let you buy it, but it allows for more concepts. [/QUOTE]

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