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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7226694" data-attributes="member: 29398">Having run and played in a number of long 1e-based campaigns, I have to say this really hasn't happened much if at all IME.The game I'm DMing right now is rather short of high-level PC wizards between its two main parties - one high-end Necromancer notwithstanding - though there's lots of Clerics of various types.  No shortage of Fighters. Always a shortage of Thieves.The game I currently play in has multiple parties and loads of available PCs - yet somehow I've ended up representing nearly all the single-class wizard types.  Again lots of Clerics (those of you who say nobody ever wants to play a Cleric haven't met our lot!), again no shortage of Fighters, and again not many Thieves - that's the class that doesn't get played much.My experience with 3e showed the non-casters did fine at the beginning but later tended to drop out and get replaced by casters of some sort...though that's just one campaign, so a rather limited sample size. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Nor do you have the ability in array to even them out to give a jack-of-all-trades barbarian...or j-o-a-t any class for that matter.  Array doesn't let you start with all 12s or all 13s and take it from there.  Point buy at least allows this - 12-12-12-13-13-13 represents 27 points if my math is right.  Rolling gives you a shot at this, along with a shot at all sorts of other possibilities.Yeah, if you're looking to play a jack-of-all-trades type character and the dice give you 18-12-12-11-10-9 it's time to rethink.  Same if you're looking for the type of sharply-focused character 3e likes, and get 14-14-13-13-12-12 to work with...time to go to plan B. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Though let's face it, how often - particularly in a small party - do two players end up playing the same type of character?Chances are, if I'm playing a barbarian (should be a race not a class - got to get that in at every opportunity!) I'll be the only barbarian - and possibly the only front-liner at all - in the party, so no real fear of my undermining anyone else's barbarian or fighter concept.Goes back farther than that, even.  The only reason the mid-grade armour types (scale, chain, ring mail) ever got used in 1e was because they were the max allowed for certain classes...or because a spectacularly magical and-or usefully enchanted version was found somewhere.Well, maybe there's a tweaking possibility here; to somehow beef up the benefits of medium armour a bit to make it viable alongside light and heavy?  (or tone down light and heavy armour benefits a bit, whatever)Just one more place where there's a choice between realism and gamism, I suppose; and I'll go with realism.Lan-"I've been giving serious thought to re-doing the whole armour system in 1e anyway"-efan</blockquote>

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