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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7247103" data-attributes="member: 996">Well, second or third after 3d6-in-order and 4d6-in-order, if I may split that particular hair.  The 5e default is random-and-arrange, but it also allows the player who doesn't want to roll to just use the standard array - and I'll spin that a little now - by default.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Point-buy is the side-bar variant.That makes the array seem like the logical thing to balance around - since it's available by default, is apparently really close to the perplexing ranked-average of 4d6, and since you can't balance against the distribution of 4d6... Sure, like feats & multi-classing and PCs getting ahold of magic items...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But, really, the game isn't that balanced, anyway.  Balancing the game wasn't a high priority.  Evoking the classic game was.  Fast combat was.  DM Empowerment was.  None of those need balance - heck, balance can get in their way. Straight 12s have the same problem, they're very unlikely to actually happen to every PC in a party of 5 Well, second or third after 3d6-in-order and 4d6-in-order, if I may split that particular hair.  The 5e default is random-and-arrange, but it also allows the player who doesn't want to roll to just use the standard array - and I'll spin that a little now - by default.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Point-buy is the side-bar variant.That makes the array seem like the logical thing to balance around - since it's available by default, is apparently really close to the perplexing ranked-average of 4d6, and since you can't balance against the distribution of 4d6... Sure, like feats & multi-classing and PCs getting ahold of magic items...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But, really, the game isn't that balanced, anyway.  Balancing the game wasn't a high priority.  Evoking the classic game was.  Fast combat was.  DM Empowerment was.  None of those need balance - heck, balance can get in their way. Straight 12s have the same problem, they're very unlikely to actually happen to every PC in a party of 5... They were no part of the classic game.  Presumably, they're there for a bit of optional 3.x feel.But, yes, on the assumption that the game is 'balanced' for default chargen, feats are balance-poison. That's really all that needs be said on the subject. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  The one nearly-explicit attempt at balance is the 6-8 encounter day.  Not that there aren't plenty of folks who don't accept that, either.</blockquote>

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