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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7260925" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>What do you base this conclusion on? One other method you don't seem to be mentioning here was actually how the scores of 'normal' people were generated, not 3d6, which is only mentioned in AD&D with reference to 'special' characters, not 'normal' people.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you mean steeper, don't you, with more specimens conforming to the average and fewer at the extremes?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, which is the origin of the only method Gygax ever proposed for the random generation of scores for members of the general population, and not as an alternative to use if 3d6 "bothered" you, but the only proposed method.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? Which ones? Were they 0-level NPCs, or did they have character classes?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did they? What sort of NPC were they talking about, a commoner or a classed NPC?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't read that setting, but I find it doubtful that Judges Guild published their methodology for determining the scores of NPCs. Also, extreme scores are not themselves evidence that the general population is represented by one method or another. The NPCs in question may have been conceived of as extremely rare individuals. Did they have classes?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's very telling that you put 'truth' in quotation marks. This so-called truth was never officially asserted, so required no refutation.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Since you seem to understand the averaging method, then I don't need to tell you it has the same average as 3d6, and that average scores like 10 and 11 are far more likely to result, so I don't think this helps your case any.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You misunderstand. I'm not arguing against the assertion that 3-18 is the full range of human ability scores. I think that's been established as a defining feature of the game for many years. I'm arguing against the assertion that 3d6 adequately represents the distribution of those scores in the general population. I haven't seen any compelling evidence that this is the case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7260925, member: 6787503"] What do you base this conclusion on? One other method you don't seem to be mentioning here was actually how the scores of 'normal' people were generated, not 3d6, which is only mentioned in AD&D with reference to 'special' characters, not 'normal' people. I think you mean steeper, don't you, with more specimens conforming to the average and fewer at the extremes? Right, which is the origin of the only method Gygax ever proposed for the random generation of scores for members of the general population, and not as an alternative to use if 3d6 "bothered" you, but the only proposed method. Really? Which ones? Were they 0-level NPCs, or did they have character classes? Did they? What sort of NPC were they talking about, a commoner or a classed NPC? I haven't read that setting, but I find it doubtful that Judges Guild published their methodology for determining the scores of NPCs. Also, extreme scores are not themselves evidence that the general population is represented by one method or another. The NPCs in question may have been conceived of as extremely rare individuals. Did they have classes? It's very telling that you put 'truth' in quotation marks. This so-called truth was never officially asserted, so required no refutation. Since you seem to understand the averaging method, then I don't need to tell you it has the same average as 3d6, and that average scores like 10 and 11 are far more likely to result, so I don't think this helps your case any. You misunderstand. I'm not arguing against the assertion that 3-18 is the full range of human ability scores. I think that's been established as a defining feature of the game for many years. I'm arguing against the assertion that 3d6 adequately represents the distribution of those scores in the general population. I haven't seen any compelling evidence that this is the case. [/QUOTE]
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