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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1557590" data-attributes="member: 5171">That kinda sounds like a problem with your group, not with Point Buy.  I mean, it works out to the same thing -- don't use it in your group -- but let's assign blame correctly.  My group has people all over the map, pointwise -- some folks will rack up an 18 and take two 9's to compensate, some folks will try for a single 16 and nothing below 10, and some folks will go the 12-14 route all throughout.  It's all good.  And people do minmax their point buy... to match their character concept.  Sometimes, that means that Int is the dump-stat.  Sometimes it means that Wis is the dump-stat.  Sometimes (gak) it means that Con is the dump-stat.If folks are happy playing in a game where another player's character has, effectively, a permanent +1 or +2 to his stats for no reason other than the fact that he rolled better at character generation, then there's no problem.  For some of us, it's annoying.  And if you really want things to be random but fair, you can always roll randomly and then adjust the rolls to get to the right point-buy level.I'll admit that my group is odd, though, in terms of liking in-game randomness but hating meta-game randomness, like what your ability scores are or how many hit points you get upon levelling up.</blockquote>