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<blockquote data-quote="ccooke" data-source="post: 6672420" data-attributes="member: 6695890">... I don't think we're even writing the same language here. I cannot see how you can jump to this conclusion from the text I wrote. Yes, if I were the DM I would require you to do something offensive if you visibly tried to metagame the system by pretending one of your allies is hostile one moment and then an ally the next. The only ridiculous thing here is the contortion necessary to draw these conclusions. I give up. Go ahead and have the last word - I'm clearly unable to communicate with you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />Now, this is true. Charm person or Suggestion would do it, for a cost of two spells for a one round stunlock, with a save. Not really worth it, I think, but it would be a lovely way of betraying another PC/NPC who thought they were your ally.Actually, I think I need to use that at some point...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ccooke, post: 6672420, member: 6695890"] ... I don't think we're even writing the same language here. I cannot see how you can jump to this conclusion from the text I wrote. Yes, if I were the DM I would require you to do something offensive if you [b]visibly tried to metagame the system by pretending one of your allies is hostile one moment and then an ally the next[/b]. The only ridiculous thing here is the contortion necessary to draw these conclusions. I give up. Go ahead and have the last word - I'm clearly unable to communicate with you :-) Now, this is true. Charm person or Suggestion would do it, for a cost of two spells for a one round stunlock, with a save. Not really worth it, I think, but it would be a lovely way of betraying another PC/NPC who thought they were your ally. Actually, I think I need to use that at some point... [/QUOTE]

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