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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3764075" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Precisely - Also note that they came out before our culture as a whole was really familiar with the concept of "reboots" - we've seen, in the the 2000s, dozens of licenses/IPs get "rebooted", and in the vast majority of cases, the reboot has been more popular than the pre-reboot version (prime examples are in the recent movie reboots of Spiderman, Transformers, etc. - or of Battlestar Galactica and so on).</p><p></p><p>As you say, the Dark Sun and GH reboots were godawful.</p><p></p><p>Most good, successful reboots work on this principle:</p><p></p><p>1) Distill the essence of what makes the setting/character great.</p><p></p><p>2) Reinfuse it into a more "up-to-date" version.</p><p></p><p>3) Profit.</p><p></p><p>The Dark Sun reboot was more like:</p><p></p><p>1) Completely change Dark Sun and ignore all the stuff that made the setting genuinely special, going as far as to directly contradict it.</p><p></p><p>2) ???</p><p></p><p>3) Profit.</p><p></p><p>Only, obviously, it failed to profit, because they didn't take Dark Sun and make it cooler and more "Dark Sun"-ish, just modernized, they just pee'd all over it. It wasn't the new Battlestar Galactica, it was the old Battlestar Galatica after they got to Earth and started footling around on flying motorcycles...</p><p></p><p>Mystara failed because the "reboot" (unless we mean Red Steel) wasn't a true reboot, it was just updating the setting somewhat. A setting so conceptually out-of-date and out-of-step with the times that it was truly mindblowing. In the era of Planescape, there was no room for a thoughtless, utterly unreal (and not in a good way) "I thought it was cool at the time!" setting like Mystara.</p><p></p><p>Reboots are the win, but they need to follow the formula - distill the essence, then reinfuse it - Whether the 4E FR does this or not will likely determine it's popularity - that and how much they let eejits like Salvatore fondle and caress the setting inappropriately - If the CCC are canon, well, that's a baaaaaad sign.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3764075, member: 18"] Precisely - Also note that they came out before our culture as a whole was really familiar with the concept of "reboots" - we've seen, in the the 2000s, dozens of licenses/IPs get "rebooted", and in the vast majority of cases, the reboot has been more popular than the pre-reboot version (prime examples are in the recent movie reboots of Spiderman, Transformers, etc. - or of Battlestar Galactica and so on). As you say, the Dark Sun and GH reboots were godawful. Most good, successful reboots work on this principle: 1) Distill the essence of what makes the setting/character great. 2) Reinfuse it into a more "up-to-date" version. 3) Profit. The Dark Sun reboot was more like: 1) Completely change Dark Sun and ignore all the stuff that made the setting genuinely special, going as far as to directly contradict it. 2) ??? 3) Profit. Only, obviously, it failed to profit, because they didn't take Dark Sun and make it cooler and more "Dark Sun"-ish, just modernized, they just pee'd all over it. It wasn't the new Battlestar Galactica, it was the old Battlestar Galatica after they got to Earth and started footling around on flying motorcycles... Mystara failed because the "reboot" (unless we mean Red Steel) wasn't a true reboot, it was just updating the setting somewhat. A setting so conceptually out-of-date and out-of-step with the times that it was truly mindblowing. In the era of Planescape, there was no room for a thoughtless, utterly unreal (and not in a good way) "I thought it was cool at the time!" setting like Mystara. Reboots are the win, but they need to follow the formula - distill the essence, then reinfuse it - Whether the 4E FR does this or not will likely determine it's popularity - that and how much they let eejits like Salvatore fondle and caress the setting inappropriately - If the CCC are canon, well, that's a baaaaaad sign. [/QUOTE]
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