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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3764521" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>D&D players aren't the main market for those books, and they never have been. Just go to one of the message boards for R.A. Salvatore or the like if you disbelieve me - you think it's full of RPGers? It ain't. Most of the people who buy the FR novels have either never, or briefly played D&D - this was something even TSR knew, back in the day.</p><p></p><p>So it's bizarre to say "Drizzt bookz sell so people luv overpowered Mary-Sues thus the FR has to be full of overpowered Mary-Sues!", as you seem to be saying.</p><p></p><p>I do agree that you don't <em>have</em> to blow the world up. I just think it'd be nice to <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p><strong>Whizbang</strong> - You're missing the point on purpose, aren't you? The literally childish "CCC" creation equates black people and orcs. That's pretty rude, and somewhat sickening in it's crudity. I can't think of any "fantasy WW2" novels that have a <em>direct</em> holocaust equivalent, not even the ones by Harry Turtledove, so I'd challenge you to produce the novels you claim are so easy to find. I'd particularly like to see a well-selling example (the Turtledove ones were a disaster compared to any of his quasi-historical novels, I've heard).</p><p></p><p><strong>William Ronald</strong> - Burnt. To. The. Ground. I swear. Keep somewhere more interesting. You can't have an apocalypse and have New York still standing for god's sake!</p><p></p><p><strong>Grumpy Celt </strong> - That's a bloody terrifying prospect. Also irritating because in my FR that side of the world was partially in use, and they rather promised, some years ago, that they'd never develop it.</p><p></p><p>As for your equation, there's no evidence that we're getting that, is there? Certainly not from that novel sample. There's no evidence of "RIFTS" or "World of Darkness" bits at all.</p><p></p><p>Besides, taking the best bits from RIFTS and the WoD would improve the FR.</p><p></p><p>Of course that's the problem, would people who employ someone who writes about the "CCC" in all seriousness, really take the "best bits"? Seems unlikely.</p><p></p><p>My fear is that the new FR will, like the revised Dark Sun, "fall between two stools" as we say in Britain (do you say that in the US?). That is to say, it may change enough to put off the 3E FR-lovers, but not enough to pick up new fans. We'll see, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3764521, member: 18"] D&D players aren't the main market for those books, and they never have been. Just go to one of the message boards for R.A. Salvatore or the like if you disbelieve me - you think it's full of RPGers? It ain't. Most of the people who buy the FR novels have either never, or briefly played D&D - this was something even TSR knew, back in the day. So it's bizarre to say "Drizzt bookz sell so people luv overpowered Mary-Sues thus the FR has to be full of overpowered Mary-Sues!", as you seem to be saying. I do agree that you don't [I]have[/I] to blow the world up. I just think it'd be nice to :) [B]Whizbang[/B] - You're missing the point on purpose, aren't you? The literally childish "CCC" creation equates black people and orcs. That's pretty rude, and somewhat sickening in it's crudity. I can't think of any "fantasy WW2" novels that have a [I]direct[/I] holocaust equivalent, not even the ones by Harry Turtledove, so I'd challenge you to produce the novels you claim are so easy to find. I'd particularly like to see a well-selling example (the Turtledove ones were a disaster compared to any of his quasi-historical novels, I've heard). [B]William Ronald[/B] - Burnt. To. The. Ground. I swear. Keep somewhere more interesting. You can't have an apocalypse and have New York still standing for god's sake! [B]Grumpy Celt [/B] - That's a bloody terrifying prospect. Also irritating because in my FR that side of the world was partially in use, and they rather promised, some years ago, that they'd never develop it. As for your equation, there's no evidence that we're getting that, is there? Certainly not from that novel sample. There's no evidence of "RIFTS" or "World of Darkness" bits at all. Besides, taking the best bits from RIFTS and the WoD would improve the FR. Of course that's the problem, would people who employ someone who writes about the "CCC" in all seriousness, really take the "best bits"? Seems unlikely. My fear is that the new FR will, like the revised Dark Sun, "fall between two stools" as we say in Britain (do you say that in the US?). That is to say, it may change enough to put off the 3E FR-lovers, but not enough to pick up new fans. We'll see, though. [/QUOTE]
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