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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 243481" data-attributes="member: 2486">Celebrim, I apologise if I misunderstood your position.  Many of my assumptions (that of buying a sword not arousing suspicions etc.) were based on the standard DnD model.If, in your campaign, weapons are difficult to purchase, arouse suspicions and the like, then good for you.  I was arguing assuming the standard DnD parameters.  However, you still hold to the notion that lethal poisons cause MORE suspicion.  Your justifications for this is flawed.'It is conceable'As is a Finger of Death scroll.'It is difficult to defend against'As is a Finger of Death scroll.'saves don't scale as quickly as HPs'Same with a Finger of Death scroll.You then proceed to quote a long passage from Romeo and Juliet.  Unfortunately, whilst this adds colour to your argument, it adds no more conviction.  Romeo and Juliet is set is Renaissance Italy, not DnD.  There is no magic in R&J, there is in DnD.  Indeed, you cite only one example (read anecdote) wherein poison is more difficult to come by, in a world with not only perhaps different social assumptions but even different parameters (magic vs. no magic).  This anecdote is interesting but irrelevant.With regard to the rules, you move the goalposts.  How can we possibly argue a thread if you define the parameters.  I had assumed (in the Dnd rules forum) that the parameters were defined as the standard DnD ones.  If you use a different ruling, that's your choice- but please share it with us so our arguments can be coherent.  'Rendering a person helpless is not necessarily proof of good and honourable motives'.But neither is it proof of evil or dishonourable motives.  Each scenario must be taken in context, without empirical statements being made.With regard to death magics, you have illustrated my point.  The original question was 'Is poison evil?'  Against that I juxtaposed the question 'Is death magic evil?'  Your answer to the latter was 'only if perceived to be', as was your answer to the former.  Since death magic is not listed as [Evil], the conclusion is neither is poison.  Poison is not [Evil].  QED.</blockquote>

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