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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 122720" data-attributes="member: 1190">you've increased realism but it seems very time consuming and doesn't really reflect things like some snake venoms which can take hours to completely affect a human sized target.Most poisons are not as fast working as the rules indicate but it makes it fairly easy to track.  Just two saves.  One way of adjusting it would be to change the two saves to be an onset roll and a follow up time (both with set timing).  So a poison might have a onset of 1 round (very fast acting), 1 minute (fairly fast acting), 1 hour (average), 1 day (slow), 1 week (very slow).  Upon being exposed to the poison, the character makes a Fort save.  If it is a failure, they take the poisons damage after the timing has elapsed.  Regarldess of success or failure of the first save, after the timing elapses once they save again.  If they fail, they take damage again and must make another save after the timing elapses again.  If they succeed on the second save, then they have fought off the poison and need not make future saves.So for a snake bite with a onset of 1 hour and damage of 1d3 dex:1) BITTEN: the character makes a save.  If they fail they take 1d3 dex damage after one hour.  If they succeed they take no damage.2) After that hour they save again.  If they succeed they have purged the poison.  If they fail they take another 1d3 dex damage and must save after another hour.As a rule, the higher the onset time, the lower the save DC and damage should be.  Those with onset times of 1 day or more might be very rare and nearly impossible to resist without magical aid.Onset....................Avg DC..................Damage---------------------------------------------------------------------1 round..................10-16...................1 or 1d2 or 1d31 minute................14-20...................1d2 or 1d3 or 1d41 hour....................19-25...................1d4 or 1d6 or 1d81 day.....................24-30...................1d6 or 1d8 or 1d101 week...................29-35...................1d8 or 1d10 or 1d12These are only guidelines of course.  This way, quick acting poisons can be dangerous but not  necessarily fatal while the slower poisons can be useful for campaign hooks or secret assassinations but would not be used in combat much.What do you think?</blockquote>

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