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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoutonRustique" data-source="post: 6204666" data-attributes="member: 22362">Action denial is probably the hardest thing to design well... It's usually, very, very boring for the player (very bad) or overpowering for a monster (less bad, but potentially very bad - mostly story side).The problem is it's just SO expected and possibly ingrained into our vision of combat... and it's almost always the best tactical choice...I see a few paths possible, but nothing as useful as a concrete answer:A) using the "off-turn" approach suggested by [MENTION=6694112]Kinak[/MENTION]. In essence, you're removing "true" action-denial from the game. This is the easiest answer to design for, but probably the hardest sell...B) taking a cue from the 5e packets and making it "until you use X action to stop it" - you have the benefit of player "participation" so it's less boring and you can customize to hurt more of less depending on X. It has merit mainly in the psychological fast-one it's pulling on the player by engaging him to stop the condition (very much like the prone condition of 4e). Easier to sell, but system analysing players may see through it (CharOp will.)C) reduce to the cost of the action-denial by reducing the value of the actions. (this is my favorite one) This can be accomplished by longer (in rounds, not real-life time) combats, higher prevalence of "opportunity defeats" where victory is gained by more by action X as opposed to X actions.D) probably in conjonction with C) increase the value of the "not-standard" actions. This is harder to build into the core as it is more efficiently handled in encounter creation. Such as making placement as important as attacks and such. This, however, introduces new problems as these actions will always have greater value (not just when dazed or such) and so will create a new important decision point for the player. This will increase the time a player will take to complete his round, slowing down play - something 4e does not need help with...OTHER no clue, but I highly doubt these are the only avenues.Hope this helps in some way.</blockquote>

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