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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8138559" data-attributes="member: 93670">You nailed it in the first half of the post about the weapons table designspace not having enough granularity to really fit a blackthorn cudgel/shillelagh/dueling cane/etc. bataireacht (irish martial arts/stick fighting) might only go back to the 17th/18th century* when it became more &quot;organized&quot;, but as a weapon it's pretty freaking ancient* coincidentally that's not all that different from d&amp;d's holy sanctified term <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterstaff#Etymology" target="_blank">&quot;quarterstaff&quot;</a> Also gained its new name <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; The idea that a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0XnHA5mMRY" target="_blank">mildly worked stick</a> is too modern for d&amp;d is absurd.&nbsp; The big difference between the two is a few hundred miles &amp; because of rule by a foreign power one gained a more recent revitalization<a href="http://fightland.vice.com/blog/real-irish-fighting-a-history-of-shillelagh-law-and-hob-nailed-boot-stomping" target="_blank"> through actual use</a>.GM: &quot;quarterstaff is 6 feet long&quot;bob: &quot;the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shillelagh_(club)#Dimensions" target="_blank">shorter version</a> is cooler anyways, I don't want to play a ninja turtle or a wizard backed so far into a corner that I had to use my staff as a weapon instead of a focus&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8138559, member: 93670"] You nailed it in the first half of the post about the weapons table designspace not having enough granularity to really fit a blackthorn cudgel/shillelagh/dueling cane/etc. bataireacht (irish martial arts/stick fighting) might only go back to the 17th/18th century* when it became more "organized", but as a weapon it's pretty freaking ancient * coincidentally that's not all that different from d&d's holy sanctified term [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterstaff#Etymology']"quarterstaff"[/URL] Also gained its new name :D The idea that a [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0XnHA5mMRY']mildly worked stick[/URL] is too modern for d&d is absurd. The big difference between the two is a few hundred miles & because of rule by a foreign power one gained a more recent revitalization[URL='http://fightland.vice.com/blog/real-irish-fighting-a-history-of-shillelagh-law-and-hob-nailed-boot-stomping'] through actual use[/URL]. GM: "quarterstaff is 6 feet long" bob: "the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shillelagh_(club)#Dimensions']shorter version[/URL] is cooler anyways, I don't want to play a ninja turtle or a wizard backed so far into a corner that I had to use my staff as a weapon instead of a focus" [/QUOTE]

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