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<blockquote data-quote="Korgoth" data-source="post: 5401452" data-attributes="member: 49613"><p>Guys, first of all thanks to all of you for keeping it civil and within the rules. It goes to show what a good community this is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes to those two statements. Being familiar with small business retail, I know that a retailer's charitable/advocacy contributions generally come out of the profits (if there are any); the more profitable an establishment, theoretically the more the establishment as an entity or the proprietor as an individual has to support these causes. So my money might indirectly go to something I don't support. Now, that could happen anywhere... but if the store is advertising an affiliation, then I think one can at least argue that by consenting to be a patron, I'm buying in on some level to the affiliation. Especially if I have other purchasing options, especially if I can get the exact same product elsewhere (in this case, other similar stores or Amazon).</p><p></p><p>The other thing is that oftentimes in politics the issue is not the issue. What I mean by that is that what is at stake can be much more far-reaching than one simple practical matter.</p><p></p><p>Since we're into fantasy, take the following example: in the land of Giloola, there are two parties. The Fliboolians, who among whatever else they support or reject (free bus rides for battle robots, emissions testing on dragon-rockets, etc.), support the construction of a roto-disk arena on the island of Groff. However, the other party, the Quorians, insist that since the Totem-Obelisk of Barzak, around which the whole capital city is constructed, forbids any Giloolan from setting foot on Groff, a roto-disk arena is out of the question. After all, is Giloolan society based upon the tenets of the Totem-Obelisk of Barzak, or isn't it?</p><p></p><p>That last coda is the crux. In the above example, the issue (the roto-disk arena) <em>isn't</em> the issue. The issue is really about the source of political and moral authority in the society. And <em>that</em> is a basis for extreme contention, because it gets down to the very heart of why those people do what they do and live as they live.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Korgoth, post: 5401452, member: 49613"] Guys, first of all thanks to all of you for keeping it civil and within the rules. It goes to show what a good community this is. Yes to those two statements. Being familiar with small business retail, I know that a retailer's charitable/advocacy contributions generally come out of the profits (if there are any); the more profitable an establishment, theoretically the more the establishment as an entity or the proprietor as an individual has to support these causes. So my money might indirectly go to something I don't support. Now, that could happen anywhere... but if the store is advertising an affiliation, then I think one can at least argue that by consenting to be a patron, I'm buying in on some level to the affiliation. Especially if I have other purchasing options, especially if I can get the exact same product elsewhere (in this case, other similar stores or Amazon). The other thing is that oftentimes in politics the issue is not the issue. What I mean by that is that what is at stake can be much more far-reaching than one simple practical matter. Since we're into fantasy, take the following example: in the land of Giloola, there are two parties. The Fliboolians, who among whatever else they support or reject (free bus rides for battle robots, emissions testing on dragon-rockets, etc.), support the construction of a roto-disk arena on the island of Groff. However, the other party, the Quorians, insist that since the Totem-Obelisk of Barzak, around which the whole capital city is constructed, forbids any Giloolan from setting foot on Groff, a roto-disk arena is out of the question. After all, is Giloolan society based upon the tenets of the Totem-Obelisk of Barzak, or isn't it? That last coda is the crux. In the above example, the issue (the roto-disk arena) [I]isn't[/I] the issue. The issue is really about the source of political and moral authority in the society. And [I]that[/I] is a basis for extreme contention, because it gets down to the very heart of why those people do what they do and live as they live. [/QUOTE]
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