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<blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 5684474" data-attributes="member: 98255">Tangential to that, imagine that you want mechanical repercussions like in the Old Days. Your Paladin, Sir Stick-in-the-mud, has just been a naughty boy. Your DM informs you, &quot;since this is how you like it, and you've been naughty one too many times, there are consequences...&quot;Suddenly, Sir Stick's&nbsp; Power Source changes to Martial. His class name is now Disgraced Paladin, so all feats calling upon his Paladin class are now meaningless. He loses access to all abilities with the Divine Keyword, which is... let's see... pretty much all of them, just like before. He can make Basic Attacks, can still wear Plate and carry a big shield. He's still tough. That's about it. Sounds like a Warrior with no abilities to me.He could still take skill powers, if the condition persists long enough, and swap his feats for unclassed ones. In short, he sucks. Just like Gary intended.It's not over yet though. He has choices! And moral dilemmas! He could continue down the path of darkness, frustrated by his suckitude, and become tempted by it. He could cash in and become a Blackguard. Or perhaps the DM has created a Special Quest for him, with a juicy homebrewed Atonement spell waiting at the end. Huzzah! Paladin status again! Or maybe he will forge a destiny in between, multiclass into something for a few levels until the DM allows him to change to that class fully. Having probably high Strength, Constitution, Wisdom, and/or Charisma in any mix, the possibilities are many. Fighter, Warlord, Warlock, Knight, Ranger, Cleric, Avenger, and probably many others would all be strong candidates for the typical reformed/disgraced paladin. Actually that sounds fun.But not if I'm forced into it by an asshat DM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nemesis Destiny, post: 5684474, member: 98255"] Tangential to that, imagine that you want mechanical repercussions like in the Old Days. Your Paladin, Sir Stick-in-the-mud, has just been a naughty boy. Your DM informs you, "since this is how you like it, and you've been naughty one too many times, there are consequences..." Suddenly, Sir Stick's Power Source changes to Martial. His class name is now Disgraced Paladin, so all feats calling upon his Paladin class are now meaningless. He loses access to all abilities with the Divine Keyword, which is... let's see... pretty much all of them, just like before. He can make Basic Attacks, can still wear Plate and carry a big shield. He's still tough. That's about it. Sounds like a Warrior with no abilities to me. He could still take skill powers, if the condition persists long enough, and swap his feats for unclassed ones. In short, he sucks. Just like Gary intended. It's not over yet though. He has choices! And moral dilemmas! He could continue down the path of darkness, frustrated by his suckitude, and become tempted by it. He could cash in and become a Blackguard. Or perhaps the DM has created a Special Quest for him, with a juicy homebrewed Atonement spell waiting at the end. Huzzah! Paladin status again! Or maybe he will forge a destiny in between, multiclass into something for a few levels until the DM allows him to change to that class fully. Having probably high Strength, Constitution, Wisdom, and/or Charisma in any mix, the possibilities are many. Fighter, Warlord, Warlock, Knight, Ranger, Cleric, Avenger, and probably many others would all be strong candidates for the typical reformed/disgraced paladin. Actually that sounds fun. But not if I'm forced into it by an asshat DM. [/QUOTE]

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