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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5684488" data-attributes="member: 19675">No, he's telling you that, within the framework of the class you've chosen, you may be about to experience a negative effect on your PC's mechanic if you do what you say you're going to do.&nbsp; You know, like choosing to have your pre-4Ed Wizard adventure in Cold-Iron Plate Armor.&nbsp; Or like having your cleric switch gods every once in a while, then deciding his god-shopping days are over, and trying to return to the faith of his initiation into the priesthood.You can still choose to do so, but there is a price.And the price, in the paladin's case, is loss of abilities granted him by his/her god because he violated his covenant with that god (much like the fickle friar).And while it sucks on a mechanical level- moreso than any other analogous choice in the game- it definitely models many of the literary inspirations for the class.*&nbsp; Lose your faith &amp; break your covenant, lose your powers &amp; gifts.The 4Ed Paladin has no rules by which he can render himself powerless by putting his own mortal desires (or doubts, or prejudices) ahead of the dictates of his or her covenant with the divine.&nbsp; Example: Lancelot gives in to lust, and loses his supernatural abilities that made him Queen's Champion; in some tellings of the tale, it is as if he is stricken with disease.&nbsp; It's not just roleplay-level fluff- he is rendered less competent because of his breaking of a vow.Other paladins of legend could ascertain a being's moral compass by &quot;looking into the heart&quot; of those they encountered.All that is modeled in pre-4Ed pallys, not in their alignmentless successors.(In addition, there is, AFAIK, no mechanic by which a &quot;fallen&quot; character can redeem himself in 4Ed, but I admit I don't know all the rituals.)Even if, like me, you believe there should be holy warriors for all divine beings, they shouldn't be using minor variations of the same codes, nearly identical mechanics &amp; powers, etc.* except that, according to many of the legends, paladinhood could be regained by atonement and rededication.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5684488, member: 19675"] No, he's telling you that, within the framework of the class you've chosen, you may be about to experience a negative effect on your PC's mechanic if you do what you say you're going to do. You know, like choosing to have your pre-4Ed Wizard adventure in Cold-Iron Plate Armor. Or like having your cleric switch gods every once in a while, then deciding his god-shopping days are over, and trying to return to the faith of his initiation into the priesthood. You can still choose to do so, but there is a price. And the price, in the paladin's case, is loss of abilities granted him by his/her god because he violated his covenant with that god (much like the fickle friar). And while it sucks on a mechanical level- moreso than any other analogous choice in the game- it definitely models many of the literary inspirations for the class.* Lose your faith & break your covenant, lose your powers & gifts. The 4Ed Paladin has no rules by which he can render himself powerless by putting his own mortal desires (or doubts, or prejudices) ahead of the dictates of his or her covenant with the divine. Example: Lancelot gives in to lust, and loses his supernatural abilities that made him Queen's Champion; in some tellings of the tale, it is as if he is stricken with disease. It's not just roleplay-level fluff- he is rendered less competent because of his breaking of a vow. Other paladins of legend could ascertain a being's moral compass by "looking into the heart" of those they encountered. All that is modeled in pre-4Ed pallys, not in their alignmentless successors. (In addition, there is, AFAIK, no mechanic by which a "fallen" character can redeem himself in 4Ed, but I admit I don't know all the rituals.) Even if, like me, you believe there should be holy warriors for all divine beings, they shouldn't be using minor variations of the same codes, nearly identical mechanics & powers, etc. * except that, according to many of the legends, paladinhood could be regained by atonement and rededication. [/QUOTE]

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