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<blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 5684499" data-attributes="member: 98255">Sure, that's fine. As long as the DM isn't just being an asshat. Back In The Day, I do recall more than one asshat DM using loose wording in the alignment chapter and/or ridiculously bad judgement call to invoke the dreaded alignment rules.&quot;Do that, and you'll have an XP penalty! You'll lose your class!&quot;The rules are fine as long as they're not abused by the one person that everyone is putting their faith in to have a good time. Maybe you've had nothing but golden DMs over the years, but lots and lots of folks didn't. And it sucked. That's all we're saying.Except it isn't like ANY of those things. Alignment is full of grey area and wildly open to the whims and interpretation of individual DMs. Those other things you mentioned are very binary. Is your mage wearing plate or isn't he? Nothing like, &quot;that doesn't count because he was wearing it under the light of the full moon on a Saturday!&quot;Fair enough, and as I pointed out upthread, I don't even mind if this is something both parties agree to, or if the player in question is undeniably acting out of the bounds of alignment. But there is just too much grey area in many cases for it to rest with the DM's judgement alone, especially with one who doesn't understand the philosophies well, or doesn't allow any different points of view.Even in fantasy cultures, there will be different viewpoints.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nemesis Destiny, post: 5684499, member: 98255"] Sure, that's fine. As long as the DM isn't just being an asshat. Back In The Day, I do recall more than one asshat DM using loose wording in the alignment chapter and/or ridiculously bad judgement call to invoke the dreaded alignment rules. "Do that, and you'll have an XP penalty! You'll lose your class!" The rules are fine as long as they're not abused by the one person that everyone is putting their faith in to have a good time. Maybe you've had nothing but golden DMs over the years, but lots and lots of folks didn't. And it sucked. That's all we're saying. Except it isn't like ANY of those things. Alignment is full of grey area and wildly open to the whims and interpretation of individual DMs. Those other things you mentioned are very binary. Is your mage wearing plate or isn't he? Nothing like, "that doesn't count because he was wearing it under the light of the full moon on a Saturday!" Fair enough, and as I pointed out upthread, I don't even mind if this is something both parties agree to, or if the player in question is undeniably acting out of the bounds of alignment. But there is just too much grey area in many cases for it to rest with the DM's judgement alone, especially with one who doesn't understand the philosophies well, or doesn't allow any different points of view. Even in fantasy cultures, there will be different viewpoints. [/QUOTE]

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