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<blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 5684513" data-attributes="member: 98255">Fine, but frankly, why give them more opportunity to do so than you absolutely must?Or what about when the DM *isn't* being a deliberate jerk, and simply fails to understand alignment? Or your version of alignment. Interpreting it is hardly set in stone.Sure, you can try to talk about it, if you want to play an alignment-sensitive character, but that only goes so far. Sometimes a DM can still surprise you with bad judgement, even after you &quot;work things out&quot;.Generally, I've noticed this being a problem more when you have a DM that is a hard-core moral absolutist (or an authoritarian, but see above), particularly when the player is less so. I'm not even going to go as far as to say the player is a moral relativist, because, frankly, you don't need to go that far to have a divergence of opinion on the matter that leads to arguing.Anecdotally, removing alignment mechanics has drastically reduced in-game alignment arguing pretty much to zero in my group. We still use a variant on the 9-point system (or more accurately, we write whatever we want in that space, including any of the old ones, if desired), more or less, but nobody has need to fight about it. But then, that might be a factor of maturity, and that we are now all more or less on the same page, or tolerant enough to not be a jerk about it.If that's the case, then you're fortunate indeed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nemesis Destiny, post: 5684513, member: 98255"] Fine, but frankly, why give them more opportunity to do so than you absolutely must? Or what about when the DM *isn't* being a deliberate jerk, and simply fails to understand alignment? Or [I]your [/I]version of alignment. Interpreting it is hardly set in stone. Sure, you can try to talk about it, if you want to play an alignment-sensitive character, but that only goes so far. Sometimes a DM can still surprise you with bad judgement, even after you "work things out". Generally, I've noticed this being a problem more when you have a DM that is a hard-core moral absolutist (or an authoritarian, but see above), particularly when the player is less so. I'm not even going to go as far as to say the player is a moral relativist, because, frankly, you don't need to go that far to have a divergence of opinion on the matter that leads to arguing. Anecdotally, removing alignment mechanics has drastically reduced in-game alignment arguing pretty much to zero in my group. We still use a variant on the 9-point system (or more accurately, we write whatever we want in that space, including any of the old ones, if desired), more or less, but nobody has need to fight about it. But then, that might be a factor of maturity, and that we are now all more or less on the same page, or tolerant enough to not be a jerk about it. If that's the case, then you're fortunate indeed. [/QUOTE]

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