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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drifter Bob" data-source="post: 1673309" data-attributes="member: 17723">Interesting! Do you think that is the case for all of the purported European boomerangs?  Have you heard of the cateia and the teutona mentoined in the Roman texts?  I'm sure you are familiar with these finds<a href="http://www.rediboom.com/englisch/geschich/magdebg.html" target="_blank">http://www.rediboom.com/englisch/geschich/magdebg.html</a><a href="http://www.rediboom.com/englisch/geschich/polen.html" target="_blank">http://www.rediboom.com/englisch/geschich/polen.html</a>The most famous of the several Roman texts includes these lines of Virgils from the aenead“Et quos maliferae despectant moenia AbellaeTeutonico ritu soliti torquere cateias.”Certainly the egyptian Lisan and various African and Indian weapons qualify.  What, if anything do you think of the chakrum?Yes it is interesting that these very powerful longbows seem to go quite far back, and most finds seem to be in scandinavia.  It's interesting that such formidable weapons existed side by side with very inferior and much weaker bows, which if anything seemed to have a wider use on the battlefield until the Welsh longbow rose to importance in the late medieval period.  I've even heard it suggested that the Welsh longbow came with Vikings or earlier germanic invasions, but don't mention that around English historians, they go apoplectic!I've seen so many images of those skeletons with their small dagger in one hand and huge booze jug in the other.  The old gangster "gin and juice" mentality goes a long way back.Interesting.  This doesn't always seem to be the case in other parts of the world, the Aztecs for example had their sword like war clubs of the flint edged type but did not have bronze per se, though they did have copper.  Also the north american indians and pacific islanders seemed to have those hardwood warclubs, some of which were quite swordlike.Wow!  I never heard of such a thing!  Are any preserved intact? that is a surprise to me, I wasn't aware of that.  Do you mean in Scandinavia only or everywhere?Interesting.  I have often wondered why the atlatl dissapeared as a weapon, from what the modern enthusiasts say it has a lot of advantages over most self bows you see around the world, not to mention javelins.Yep, rock throwers were part of armies not only in neolithic times, but in Greece and Rome, and all the way into the late Renaissance.  The Swiss and the Hussites both had corps of rock throwers, deployed side by side with guns and cannon! It amazes me that wihle people realise a baseball can be thrown 90+ miles per hour, they don't realise how much damage a hard rock can cause.  We introduce a thrown rock as a fairly formidable weapon in the D&D pantheon...I would be extremely interested in this.  I would also like you to participate in our beta program if you are interested.  If you would like act as a consultant for our neolithic arms PDF I would be honored.  We can discuss details by email.I will contact you by private message.DB</blockquote>

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