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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kelleris" data-source="post: 3572335" data-attributes="member: 19130">Actually, in my experience this is just how 3e works.  At low levels, that base 10 on the DC means that the die roll always matters more than the bonus, so anyone can fail any save.  As you gain levels, the relative cheapness of save-boosting items over DC-boosting items, the effects of multiclassing, and the paucity of easy ways to increase save DCs combines with the ability to get different kinds of bonuses than stat, base, and resistance on saves to produce numbers that make the base DC of 10 and the die roll relatively unimportant.  It's very rare in high-level games, in my experiences, for someone's "pride and joy" save to fail except on a natural 1.  My 13th-level bard-built-as-a-ninja, for instance, has a +26 Reflex save most of the time, and can take that up to +35 as an immediate action if needed.  My 17th level Barbarian/Battle Sorcerer has a Fortitude save that varies wildly, but tends to be in the low 30s when in the thick of combat - both of these characters frequently have a save bonus that's higher than the entire DC that they're saving against when some targets their good saves.  At low levels, that's impossible to do, and every save is risky.  When you're third level, a 4 is a 4, but when you get up there, all that matters is that it isn't a 1.  And this is hardly exclusive to my characters, it's the general trend with the PCs of those I've played with as well.</blockquote>

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