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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8590588" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Haven't ready the thread, but....</p><p></p><p>Of course it goes without saying that we can't cleanly correlate D&D and MCU, and there's no "right" answer. But if I wanted to merge the two, this is my take:</p><p></p><p>Asgardians are meant to be superhuman/immortal. D&D's 20 levels is not immortal, and is essentially mortals/humans maxed out.</p><p></p><p>So I think the best comp for a 20th level fighter is Captain America - he's augmented, but still human. He's kind of meant to be a "realistic superhuman" - but not a Thor or Superman. He's what you'd get if you could genetically unlock human potential fully (in an athetlc/physical sense), but not to an absurd (Hulkian) extent. We could also imagine him being 11th level right after augmentation, and 20th level by the time we get to IW/EG.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, we can imagine the non-enhanced MCU characters like BW and Hawkeye as maxed out at 10th level. Meaning, MCU done D&D style puts a cap on normal (non-augmented) humans at 10th level), and above that implies some kind of augmentation. The big 10/11 gap seems like the most natural cap. Batman would go here, but with lots of wonderful toys that make him closer to a 20th level character.</p><p></p><p>I suppose Jessica Jones, Power Man, etc, could be in that 11-15th range, and the augmented Avengers 16-20th. It may also be that someone like the Hulk has an "epic power" - his strength - that gives him an edge above this range, but as a mortal is still maxed out at 20th.</p><p></p><p>To accommodate the Asgardians and similar immortals, I would extend levels to 21-30, with Thor being at the upper end of that span. Captain Marvel would be in there, as well. </p><p></p><p>And of course there are hypothetical powers beyond Thor - like the Celestials from the Eternals films, and various entities from the actual comics that we may see eventually.</p><p></p><p>So in summary:</p><p>Levels 1-10: Non-augmented humans, with a hard cap at 10th.</p><p>Levels 11-20: Augmented humans, with 11-15 being "lesser" ones and 16-20 being "greater" ones.</p><p>Levels 21-30: Immortals, Asgardians, and equivalents.</p><p>Levels 31-40: Greater immortals, cosmic entities. Celestials. Phoenix from X-Men, maybe.</p><p>Levels 41-50: Greater cosmic entities, the Beyonder, Thanos with the infinity stones, etc.</p><p></p><p>IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 8590588, member: 59082"] Haven't ready the thread, but.... Of course it goes without saying that we can't cleanly correlate D&D and MCU, and there's no "right" answer. But if I wanted to merge the two, this is my take: Asgardians are meant to be superhuman/immortal. D&D's 20 levels is not immortal, and is essentially mortals/humans maxed out. So I think the best comp for a 20th level fighter is Captain America - he's augmented, but still human. He's kind of meant to be a "realistic superhuman" - but not a Thor or Superman. He's what you'd get if you could genetically unlock human potential fully (in an athetlc/physical sense), but not to an absurd (Hulkian) extent. We could also imagine him being 11th level right after augmentation, and 20th level by the time we get to IW/EG. Similarly, we can imagine the non-enhanced MCU characters like BW and Hawkeye as maxed out at 10th level. Meaning, MCU done D&D style puts a cap on normal (non-augmented) humans at 10th level), and above that implies some kind of augmentation. The big 10/11 gap seems like the most natural cap. Batman would go here, but with lots of wonderful toys that make him closer to a 20th level character. I suppose Jessica Jones, Power Man, etc, could be in that 11-15th range, and the augmented Avengers 16-20th. It may also be that someone like the Hulk has an "epic power" - his strength - that gives him an edge above this range, but as a mortal is still maxed out at 20th. To accommodate the Asgardians and similar immortals, I would extend levels to 21-30, with Thor being at the upper end of that span. Captain Marvel would be in there, as well. And of course there are hypothetical powers beyond Thor - like the Celestials from the Eternals films, and various entities from the actual comics that we may see eventually. So in summary: Levels 1-10: Non-augmented humans, with a hard cap at 10th. Levels 11-20: Augmented humans, with 11-15 being "lesser" ones and 16-20 being "greater" ones. Levels 21-30: Immortals, Asgardians, and equivalents. Levels 31-40: Greater immortals, cosmic entities. Celestials. Phoenix from X-Men, maybe. Levels 41-50: Greater cosmic entities, the Beyonder, Thanos with the infinity stones, etc. IMO. [/QUOTE]
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