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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tequila Sunrise" data-source="post: 4837572" data-attributes="member: 40398">They Are BrokenObviously Expertise and Defense boosters were intended to be a math fix for paragon and epic levels, but they just don't work right. The missing math is:4 lost from attacks,4 lostfrom NADs by 30th level and2 lost from AC by 30th level.So Expertise doesn't do quite enough for attacks, and the NAD boosters have the potential to actually overcompensate for the lost math. And AC is still left out in the cold, even if you consider Armor Spec. Frankly, I'm still amazed at how many DMs seem content to accept these feats as-is, or even argue for this particular aspect of RAW.</blockquote>