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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6645778" data-attributes="member: 92511">To your Fistandantilus example above...the answer is the werebear. The ruling I [and I guess KM also?] would make still stands. If Fisty cast the magic jar themselves, and they in turn were polymorphed, then the spell(s) Fisty had cast/had in effect are null/void.You seem to be having a problem understanding...or just purposely avoiding for the purposes of this thought experiment?...the difference between spells cast on the character being polymorphed and spell cast by the character being polymorphed, and conflating the two. They are not necessarily the same thing and, if not, would not have the same result.Magic Jar ends. Werebear goes back into his [now bumblebee] body.I'd probably give/make Fistandantilus trapped in the magic jar for a period of time for the unceremonious spirit/mind whiplash of having his magic kind of ripped out/off of him. Maybe a random chance to have his spirit end up thrown into the ethereal plane or some such......doomed to only exist in/through mirrors and other reflective surfaces until he can manage to get the were-bumblebee turned back into a werebear, relearn his magic jar spell, get the werebear someplace he can cast the magic jar on the werebear and, thus, swap his spirit back into werebear form and end the spell &quot;properly&quot; to get back into his own body...which has probably expired from malnutrition/dehydration by then so need to find a new host...Sure. That'll work. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> What were we talking about?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6645778, member: 92511"] To your Fistandantilus example above...the answer is the werebear. The ruling I [and I guess KM also?] would make still stands. If Fisty cast the magic jar themselves, and they in turn were polymorphed, then the spell(s) Fisty had cast/had in effect are null/void. You seem to be having a problem understanding...or just purposely avoiding for the purposes of this thought experiment?...the difference between spells cast [I]on[/I] the character being polymorphed and spell cast [I]by[/I] the character being polymorphed, and conflating the two. They are not necessarily the same thing and, if not, would not have the same result. Magic Jar ends. Werebear goes back into his [now bumblebee] body. I'd probably give/make Fistandantilus trapped in the magic jar for a period of time for the unceremonious spirit/mind whiplash of having his magic kind of ripped out/off of him. Maybe a random chance to have his spirit end up thrown into the ethereal plane or some such... ...doomed to only exist in/through mirrors and other reflective surfaces until he can manage to get the were-bumblebee turned back into a werebear, relearn his magic jar spell, get the werebear someplace he can cast the magic jar on the werebear and, thus, swap his spirit back into werebear form and end the spell "properly" to get back into his own body...which has probably expired from malnutrition/dehydration by then so need to find a new host...Sure. That'll work. :) What were we talking about? [/QUOTE]

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