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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3298550" data-attributes="member: 12032">Sure,One standard vanilla ranger, and one warlock without the fey feats (instead has point-blank, precise shot, and something else).  The fey warlock and the barb/swordsage are much much better warriors than the ranger.  For the fey warlock it turns out that DR 4/cold iron is pretty crazy at level 4. Very few attacks at that level average more than 8 points of damage, and some are closer to 4-5 (which he ignores).  He's gotten hosed by shadows, ghosts, a specter, and a lighting bolt throwing sorc.  But against everything that does a normal attack he's taken at most half damage.  He does damage generally via hideous blow which is darn effective (though requires a concentration check unless he is using a reach weapon).The swordsage can:* Ignore most terrain modifiers (some stance).  This has helped a LOT in a few combats.* Ignore flank someone from any angle (a different stance).  * Rage 3/day (extra rage feat)* Hit 1/combat for +2d6 damage (and ignore DR should that matter)* hit 1/combat for 4d6 fire damage (touch attack) someone who has hit him (swift)The rage+2d6+4d6 fire means that he can hit an opponent for 2d6+1 (sword) + 7 (16 STR+rage) +2d6/ignore DR +4d6 (fire) at 5th level.  That is one round at 36 points of damage.  Not bad for 5th level.  After that he's down to 2d6+8 until the rage ends.The ranger does d8+4 damage with one weapon and d6+2 with another.  If both hit (and he has a -2 for attacking with both) he is doing 14 points of damage.  AND he has twice as much money in magic weapons (2 +1 weapons).  The swordsage has 1 less BAB but he get's weapon focus for free, so that's a wash.  So that means the ranger has a lower attack bonus AND does less damage than the raging barbarian AFTER the swordsage craziness has been used up!  Both are light armor (this swordsage, for RP reasons, has an 8 Wis so no AC bonus).  The non-fey warlock is quite effective at range, hitting most rounds, but does 3d6+1 damage (11.5).  Not bad, but he drops quickly (just died last combat in fact) and without the DR to eat damage has a real problem against mooks. (d8+1 damage does 5.5 against him, about 1.8 against the fey warlock)  Now the warlock itself is "non-core".  But I find it (like most of the first 4 complete books) to be fairly balanced.  Extra rage is VERY powerful indeed (Complete Warrior), and the swordsage is just broken beyond compare (I will ban them after this). Mark</blockquote>

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