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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 3298653" data-attributes="member: 31506">After a few more levels it will largely be meaningless though.Two weapon fighting sucks unless you get a ton of extra damage dice (sneak attack etc). Its pretty much always sucked since 3rd edition was released, and the double damage from power attack for 2 handers sealed the coffin.  Also the swordsage isnt a pure swordsage. Throw a barbarian level on the ranger (and the extra rage feat, which is too good to pass up), and see how he stacks up. Its not that the swordsage is overpowered (its a balanced non caster combatant), its that you're comparing him to a secondary combat class using a bad fighting style. Also, the swordsage is going to appear stronger at this level. Everyone is just getting one attack anyways, so getting a single attack on a maneuver isnt a noticable drawback. Additionally, rangers kind of stink at combat against things that arent their species enemy, as they are about on par with an aristocrat. I gave them two feat trees (adding in a 2 handed option and weapon/shield melee options), and let their favored enemy bonus apply to attack rolls to help out. Also, if you make weapon focus work with a damage type (slash, pierce, etc), you at least let a 2 weapon user get the weapon focus benefit with both weapons without forcing them to downgrade their primary hand.</blockquote>