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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Otterscrubber" data-source="post: 7474397" data-attributes="member: 4588">Yeah, as far as I can tell sorcerers got a major screw job in 5e.  Some folks are saying that expanding their spell list would help them out?  How?  They don't even get to know their caster level in spells, the fewest of any true caster.  Increasing the list would just be having more spells for them that they can't even use.  Hey how about balancing that out with allowing them to cast more per day like in 3e?  Or letting sorcery points refresh on a short rest?  They don't balance that out at all.  Fewer spell selection, crap for defensive options.  Origins are a joke.  Dragon ability: claws?  Great so now I put my caster with no AC into melee?  When has that ever been a good idea?  Wild: Greatest American Superhero of arcane caster?  So....lame....the shadow origin in XGE looks like the only interesting option.  The others are just flavor with trivial abilities that are so niche as to be ridiculous.  Divine: Oh I can be a crappy healer?  I'd probably be a cleric (or a paladin, or a bard even) if that is what I was gong for.Super disappointed with Sorcs in 5e, used to be one of my favorite classes in prior editions.  Now essentially unplayable unless I feel like punishing myself with a PC that will comparatively have one hand tied behind his back compared to the other PCs in terms of abilities or skills.  Oh yeah, let's not forget crap armor options, no weapon options and crap for skills limiting even their out of combat options for utility or even roleplaying.  They are a dedicated true caster class that feels like a hybrid caster, except it's missing the other half of the hybrid.Adding to the disappointment is the fact that I feel in general 5e did a great job with other classes that historically were cool but harder to make viable like Bards and Monks.  They did such a great job with most other classes, I wish they had made that same magic (pun intended) when making the 5e Sorcerer.  Makes me sad.....</blockquote>

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