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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 9763785" data-attributes="member: 891">Foundry is really not that complicated to set up.But beyond that the UI is usually just nicer. I say usually because in v13 they made the decision to put a huge pile of UI changes into the base system rather than leave such things to modders, and it's been a bit of chaos. Some of those changes were severe downgrades light making a lot of windows so transparent you often can't even read what you're focusing on, and I had to get a UI mod to undo some of that...But historically it had the nicer UI. We'll see what happens next year with v14. If they now think it's the job of the base app to screw around with the UI in each update, then Foundry won't remain a top tier VTT choice. If they decide to let modders be the ones that mess with the UI, then it will stay a good choice.FG's UI looks like something from the mid 1990s to me - like something from the year or two right before the Web came out. It looks inspired by Windows 3.1 and AutoCAD.If I had to give up on Foundry, I'd probably land on Owlbear - simply because I'm tending away from 'miniatures based wargames masquerading as RPGs' like Pathfinder / DrawSteel / D&D and over to narrative storytelling games masquerading as RPGs. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />- I've lost the need for battlemaps.But on topic: To my knowledge Owlbear doesn't have self-hosting. Which is half of why I keep Foundry installed.</blockquote>

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