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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6034782" data-attributes="member: 6668292">You know, regardless of the arguments of &quot;how things have always been&quot;, there's how people use the game. The large minority (40% right now) have answered &quot;Average Joe&quot; or &quot;Average Joe with Potential&quot;. If we add &quot;Special but not quite a Hero&quot;, we're up to 86% of people that don't think that 1st level PCs are heroes.Obviously, though, 60% of people think PCs are special, and if we inlcude &quot;with Potential&quot;, that number goes up to 94% (though some people who answered that, like me, would probably include many 1st level NPCs as &quot;with Potential&quot; as well).At any rate, the &quot;old editions thought this&quot; is important to note; but, in an edition where people's play styles are supposed to be supported, if 40% of people think 1st level PCs are a variety of Average Joe, then odds are there should be an option for that. And, on the flip side, an option for making them special in some way, since 60% of people seem to be going with that.Just gotta make the dial and let people turn it. The arguments, again, have all been made before. How people play the game, in my mind, is more important than that. And neither side is too small to dismiss as &quot;fringe&quot;, it seems. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 6034782, member: 6668292"] You know, regardless of the arguments of "how things have always been", there's how people use the game. The large minority (40% right now) have answered "Average Joe" or "Average Joe with Potential". If we add "Special but not quite a Hero", we're up to 86% of people that don't think that 1st level PCs are heroes. Obviously, though, 60% of people think PCs are special, and if we inlcude "with Potential", that number goes up to 94% (though some people who answered that, like me, would probably include many 1st level NPCs as "with Potential" as well). At any rate, the "old editions thought this" is important to note; but, in an edition where people's play styles are supposed to be supported, if 40% of people think 1st level PCs are a variety of Average Joe, then odds are there should be an option for that. And, on the flip side, an option for making them special in some way, since 60% of people seem to be going with that. Just gotta make the dial and let people turn it. The arguments, again, have all been made before. How people play the game, in my mind, is more important than that. And neither side is too small to dismiss as "fringe", it seems. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]

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