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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 6034802" data-attributes="member: 11821">Yeah, I have to say - my own frustration here is with the assumption that the only way to run 4e out of the gate is with Big Damn Heroes because some numbers (taken out of their proper context) are higher than they were in previous editions.Can you start as Heroes?  Sure.  I know it's a radical idea, but you can run the game so you don't have to grind XP with rats and count copper coins before you earn the right to save your home village from goblins.Do you have to run 4e that way?  Nope.I run 4e.  I want the PCs to earn their heroism, through great deeds and the like.  1st level can be an absolute meatgrinder, and in my own Dark Sun game, it was.  Heck; all of Heroic tier was.  Things don't significantly improve, survivability-wise, until maybe Paragon-tier (11th level).I'd say my group crossed the Heroism line only recently, at 16th level, when they Kalak'd a severely overextended Abalach-Re.  And it was suitably epic to mark the occasion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />-O</blockquote>