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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6035574" data-attributes="member: 37579">Your tone is unneeded. I almost walked away from the discussion rather than reply. First off, the difference is one of encounter difficulty and balance. The 8 kobold fight was a same-level fight. In fact, at 475xp it was lower than the threshold and could have had an extra kobold minion brining the total to 9. Likewise, in Keep on the Shadowfell there's an 11 kobold fight that's also level 1 a couple encounters later. Level 1 fights in 4e are not designed to challenge. The PCs are all but assumed to win, and potentially win without using daily resources and few healing surges. They're designed to be able to chug along and have three or four fights after. You're meant to go hard until Irontoooth. While in 3e, it's 6 and 4 kobolds per fight in a harder even level fight that will consume 1/4 of the party's resources. But, in 3e, that math was always more skewed and it would likely burn more resources. They'll likely need to rest after one or two more fights at most. In 2e this gets a little harder to compare as there was no encounter balance. But from story reasons, you get the impression kobolds like 2:1 odds so they can win, which implies it shouldn't be a fair fight. Not the easy odds of a 4e fight. Plus in 3e and 2e kobolds are roughly one-hit wonders, not the elite forces that are 4e kobolds. While they have a greater chance of dropping a hero with a lucky strike, they're little more than minions themselves. Putting a group of L1 4e PCs against L2 minion kobolds doing 3x damage would be similar. I still don't think 8 or even 10 would be a challenge.</blockquote>

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