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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6035604" data-attributes="member: 87792">My tone, I thought, was absolutely spot on for someone shocked and horrified that someone would have kobolds outnumbering PCs.&nbsp;&nbsp;Meaning that the Kobolds are turning out the warrens. The first fight has what?&nbsp; Five minions, two level 1 kobolds, and a level three dragonshield?&nbsp; Or is it one level 1 and two level 2s?&nbsp; And the second has eight minions and three level 1 kobolds?&nbsp;&nbsp;A quarter of resources isn't a significant challenge either.&nbsp;Keep on the Shadowfell is a crap module.&nbsp; News at 11.&nbsp;They think they can win against 0th level warriors (the default), not first level adventurers (significantly tougher).&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't even need to look at the module to tell you that if there were eight kobolds in a level 1 fight and it was an EL 1 fight at least half of them were minions.&nbsp; In fact between your two fights above, I believe you have thirteen minions to six normal kobolds.&nbsp;&nbsp;8 minion kobolds doing 3*damage?&nbsp; That's 8 kobolds doing an average of 15 points of damage each.&nbsp; Just about any PC is going down in two hits - and +7 to hit vs average AC of about 16 or 17.&nbsp; Assume one dead Kobold before they act (the Kobolds have good initiative - high dex). That's three and a half hits the kobolds get in reply. Either one dead PC (negative bloodied) or one dying and one bloodied in round 1.&nbsp; If the Kobolds have surprise we're looking at two downed PCs of the Kobolds' choice before the PCs can act.&nbsp;Yeah, this is going to be a challenge.&nbsp; Especially if the kobolds manage to gank either the controller, the leader, or both.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6035604, member: 87792"] My tone, I thought, was absolutely spot on for someone shocked and horrified that someone would have kobolds outnumbering PCs. Meaning that the Kobolds are turning out the warrens. The first fight has what? Five minions, two level 1 kobolds, and a level three dragonshield? Or is it one level 1 and two level 2s? And the second has eight minions and three level 1 kobolds? A quarter of resources isn't a significant challenge either. Keep on the Shadowfell is a crap module. News at 11. They think they can win against 0th level warriors (the default), not first level adventurers (significantly tougher). I don't even need to look at the module to tell you that if there were eight kobolds in a level 1 fight and it was an EL 1 fight [I]at least half of them were minions[/I]. In fact between your two fights above, I believe you have thirteen minions to six normal kobolds. 8 minion kobolds doing 3*damage? That's 8 kobolds doing an average of 15 points of damage each. Just about any PC is going down in two hits - and +7 to hit vs average AC of about 16 or 17. Assume one dead Kobold before they act (the Kobolds have good initiative - high dex). That's three and a half hits the kobolds get in reply. Either one dead PC (negative bloodied) or one dying and one bloodied in round 1. If the Kobolds have surprise we're looking at two downed PCs of the Kobolds' choice before the PCs can act. Yeah, this is going to be a challenge. Especially if the kobolds manage to gank either the controller, the leader, or both. [/QUOTE]

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