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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 6036209" data-attributes="member: 6701124">As per my original post, I gave the Smith a 12 Con, so was thinking 3.5+1 at each level (or do NPC classes not get the Con bonus).   Didn't want him to have magic, so went for expert over adept. The Hypertext d20 SRD has a 4th level expert at +3 BAB. Is it in error?   The first level warrior has a +1 BAB and ability to use all simple and martial weapons and all armor and shields, and the same hit die type as a Ranger. Based on what the rules give that sounds like a reasonable training program to me. They could have hundreds of XP under the belt from past combats too (just not enough to go to 2nd level).  It could be your personal take on the game that 1st level makes them necessarily a wet behind the ears teenager with minimal basic training -- but given that you just claimed in another reply that a truly masterful bard is only a 1st level expert it doesn't sound like you think so. In any case, I think picturing them as having completed the equivalent of a full apprenticeship seems more plausible. My hypothetical 4th level library diver has no combat training ever and has never been in a fight.   I'm picturing a college-based comedy where a group of distinguished full professors of math and English go beat the snot out of the football team, or a military parody where the congressmen on the armed services committee take out the group of marines fresh from training camp. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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