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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6049789" data-attributes="member: 22779">Y'know, to be honest, I didn't really have huge problems with the 3e design advice.&nbsp; I found CR worked as a pretty decent baseline.&nbsp; I did find that using two or three monsters rather than one big one worked better, but, it wasn't as if following the encounter design advice in the 3e and 3.5 DMG was all that far out.&nbsp; It was pretty close.Wouldn't work, I suppose, if the entire group was out to min/max the game, but, then again, 3e is pretty up front about the presumptions going into the advice.&nbsp; Once you recognize the presumptions, you can make pretty decent allowances for variation.I would like to say that, like Obryn, I very much think that you can stat out NPC's without engaging the Class/Level system.&nbsp; Every edition of D&amp;D has done that.&nbsp; I don't think anyone is advocating &quot;Just wing it&quot;.&nbsp; I want to treat NPC's (at least the not so important ones) pretty much the same as a critter.&nbsp; Basic stat block for combat stats and assign skills as needed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6049789, member: 22779"] Y'know, to be honest, I didn't really have huge problems with the 3e design advice. I found CR worked as a pretty decent baseline. I did find that using two or three monsters rather than one big one worked better, but, it wasn't as if following the encounter design advice in the 3e and 3.5 DMG was all that far out. It was pretty close. Wouldn't work, I suppose, if the entire group was out to min/max the game, but, then again, 3e is pretty up front about the presumptions going into the advice. Once you recognize the presumptions, you can make pretty decent allowances for variation. I would like to say that, like Obryn, I very much think that you can stat out NPC's without engaging the Class/Level system. Every edition of D&D has done that. I don't think anyone is advocating "Just wing it". I want to treat NPC's (at least the not so important ones) pretty much the same as a critter. Basic stat block for combat stats and assign skills as needed. [/QUOTE]

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