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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 3854952" data-attributes="member: 40177">Really, I don't care one way or the other.&nbsp; In D&amp;D, Players tend to only choose &quot;Useful&quot; skills for their character, and that's kidn of lame.&nbsp; If I spend points so my character can be a farmer (because it makes sense for the character), I'm essentially taking points away from spot, listen, and whatnot.&nbsp; So I'm penalizing myself for RP Purposes. When we played 2e, we used proficiencies as a sort of shorthand to say what you were good at.&nbsp; While you could just as easily (if not moreso) abuse it, we never did;&nbsp; we had farmers, craftsmen, armourers, and everything in our group.&nbsp; Hell, we even had a PC who owned and operated a wagon business (and that was his RP hook!)If I had to choose a skill system, I'd go for the one in Earthdawn.&nbsp; Each PC got a few skills that were knowledge skills, and they were very broad - and selected to showcase your character's background.&nbsp; You also got an artisan skill - what you were good at CREATING.&nbsp; And all those &quot;Active&quot; skills were already factored into your character.with 3e, I've been thinking about creating a system similar to that, where PCs got knowledge skills (profession, knowledge, appraise, forgery;&nbsp; skills that are neat, but seldom used) and Active skills (Hide, Move Silently, etc...).&nbsp; I also thought it'd be neat to get rid of Spot, Listen, and Search entirely, and instead have them progress by class (so that you don't put points into them;&nbsp; since they're pretty much required anyways).&nbsp; But that's just me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 3854952, member: 40177"] Really, I don't care one way or the other. In D&D, Players tend to only choose "Useful" skills for their character, and that's kidn of lame. If I spend points so my character can be a farmer (because it makes sense for the character), I'm essentially taking points away from spot, listen, and whatnot. So I'm penalizing myself for RP Purposes. When we played 2e, we used proficiencies as a sort of shorthand to say what you were good at. While you could just as easily (if not moreso) abuse it, we never did; we had farmers, craftsmen, armourers, and everything in our group. Hell, we even had a PC who owned and operated a wagon business (and that was his RP hook!) If I had to choose a skill system, I'd go for the one in Earthdawn. Each PC got a few skills that were knowledge skills, and they were very broad - and selected to showcase your character's background. You also got an artisan skill - what you were good at CREATING. And all those "Active" skills were already factored into your character. with 3e, I've been thinking about creating a system similar to that, where PCs got knowledge skills (profession, knowledge, appraise, forgery; skills that are neat, but seldom used) and Active skills (Hide, Move Silently, etc...). I also thought it'd be neat to get rid of Spot, Listen, and Search entirely, and instead have them progress by class (so that you don't put points into them; since they're pretty much required anyways). But that's just me. [/QUOTE]

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