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[Poly] What's happening to Polyhedron/Dungeon?
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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1074630" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>I'm not clear if you are disputing my claim or not.</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 89 is 112 pages of 100% dungeon</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 90 says “Free Polyhedron D20 game inside!” It is 112 pages of Dungeon and 62 pages of Poly. So Poly was smaller and free and an add-on to Dungeon. (The Polyhedron cover as says “A publication of Dungeon magazine”, clearly implying a hierarchy)</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 91 is 112 pages of Dungeon and 63 pages Poly. So Poly remains smaller and free, because I still got all of the Dungeon I paid for.</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 92 is 100 pages of Dungeon and 69 pages Poly. (This is the Spelljammer issue)</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 93 is 113 pages of Dungeon and 65 pages Poly. (Still getting all the Dungeon content that I subscribed for and Poly is a free add-on)</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 94 is the first Paizo Dungeon. It is 94 pages Dungeon and 61 pages Poly. Dungeon is a bit slim. But that has been covered. I’m satisfied that the transition was an issue. Clearly Poly did not grow at this point. It remains a free add-on.</p><p></p><p>My Dungeon 95 is 97 pages Dungeon and 65 pages Poly. Same as 94.</p><p></p><p>Dungeon 96: 89 pages Dungeon and 67 pages Poly. Dungeon shrinking, Poly stays the same.</p><p></p><p>Dungeon 97: 115 pages Dungeon and 65 pages Poly. Back to the old free Poly ratio.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This represents over a years period (Nov/Dec 2001 issue through Mar/Apr 2003 issue) during which Dungeon subscribers got what they paid for (approximately 100 pages every 2 months), plus Poly was added for free at a approximately 65 pages every two months.</p><p></p><p>Dungeon 98 is the first monthly issue. 59 pages Dungeon and 40 pages Poly.</p><p>Dungeon 99: 69 pages Dungeon and 47 pages Poly</p><p></p><p>So at this point the breakdown has started to shift. 128 pages Dungeon and 87 pages Poly in the two-month period. About +10% on Dungeon and +30% on Poly. Total cover price: $13.98 (compared to $7.99 for the previous bimonthly issue). So +10% Dungeon content for +75% price. This is where I started to say I would drop out.</p><p></p><p>Dungeon 100 rocked. Lots of Dungeon material and just great stuff across the board. No complaints at all on that issue. However, that was a special, non-representative issue. </p><p></p><p>Dungeon 101: 73 pages Dungeon and 44 pages Poly. That is the last issue I have.</p><p></p><p>So only in the last 3 issues (ignoring 100, in which Poly was quite small, so it can’t help the Poly is now shrinking – no fair argument) has Poly been up to 80-88 pages per 2 months. During that time Dungeon buyers have been paying more for about the same amount of Dungeon, subsidizing Poly. For better than a year prior to that it was all the Dungeon that was paid for plus free Poly. Anyone who subscribed during that period purely in order to get Poly was subscribing to get approximately 65 pages of Poly every two months, because that was what existed at the time. So for a few issues they got MORE than they were promised. Now Poly is going back down by some undefined amount. Only if it goes back to below 65 pages per two months will there be any justification for complaint from people who subscribed before the Poly expansion. </p><p></p><p>I am sure there are a handful of people who subscribed recently to get the expanded Poly. These people have a legitimate complaint.</p><p></p><p>Paizo is offering refunds, so no one is getting ripped off.</p><p></p><p>But my main point is this:</p><p></p><p>The Dungeon people complained when their costs went up 75% along with an expansion of material that was supposed to have been “free”.</p><p></p><p>The Poly people are now complaining because their product is going back to where it was just 4 issues ago.</p><p></p><p>No comparison.</p><p></p><p>Edit: I said a few posts above that there would still be a lot more Poly than there was. I will retract that. But that does not impact my analysis regarding Poly people getting what they paid for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 1074630, member: 957"] I'm not clear if you are disputing my claim or not. My Dungeon 89 is 112 pages of 100% dungeon My Dungeon 90 says “Free Polyhedron D20 game inside!” It is 112 pages of Dungeon and 62 pages of Poly. So Poly was smaller and free and an add-on to Dungeon. (The Polyhedron cover as says “A publication of Dungeon magazine”, clearly implying a hierarchy) My Dungeon 91 is 112 pages of Dungeon and 63 pages Poly. So Poly remains smaller and free, because I still got all of the Dungeon I paid for. My Dungeon 92 is 100 pages of Dungeon and 69 pages Poly. (This is the Spelljammer issue) My Dungeon 93 is 113 pages of Dungeon and 65 pages Poly. (Still getting all the Dungeon content that I subscribed for and Poly is a free add-on) My Dungeon 94 is the first Paizo Dungeon. It is 94 pages Dungeon and 61 pages Poly. Dungeon is a bit slim. But that has been covered. I’m satisfied that the transition was an issue. Clearly Poly did not grow at this point. It remains a free add-on. My Dungeon 95 is 97 pages Dungeon and 65 pages Poly. Same as 94. Dungeon 96: 89 pages Dungeon and 67 pages Poly. Dungeon shrinking, Poly stays the same. Dungeon 97: 115 pages Dungeon and 65 pages Poly. Back to the old free Poly ratio. This represents over a years period (Nov/Dec 2001 issue through Mar/Apr 2003 issue) during which Dungeon subscribers got what they paid for (approximately 100 pages every 2 months), plus Poly was added for free at a approximately 65 pages every two months. Dungeon 98 is the first monthly issue. 59 pages Dungeon and 40 pages Poly. Dungeon 99: 69 pages Dungeon and 47 pages Poly So at this point the breakdown has started to shift. 128 pages Dungeon and 87 pages Poly in the two-month period. About +10% on Dungeon and +30% on Poly. Total cover price: $13.98 (compared to $7.99 for the previous bimonthly issue). So +10% Dungeon content for +75% price. This is where I started to say I would drop out. Dungeon 100 rocked. Lots of Dungeon material and just great stuff across the board. No complaints at all on that issue. However, that was a special, non-representative issue. Dungeon 101: 73 pages Dungeon and 44 pages Poly. That is the last issue I have. So only in the last 3 issues (ignoring 100, in which Poly was quite small, so it can’t help the Poly is now shrinking – no fair argument) has Poly been up to 80-88 pages per 2 months. During that time Dungeon buyers have been paying more for about the same amount of Dungeon, subsidizing Poly. For better than a year prior to that it was all the Dungeon that was paid for plus free Poly. Anyone who subscribed during that period purely in order to get Poly was subscribing to get approximately 65 pages of Poly every two months, because that was what existed at the time. So for a few issues they got MORE than they were promised. Now Poly is going back down by some undefined amount. Only if it goes back to below 65 pages per two months will there be any justification for complaint from people who subscribed before the Poly expansion. I am sure there are a handful of people who subscribed recently to get the expanded Poly. These people have a legitimate complaint. Paizo is offering refunds, so no one is getting ripped off. But my main point is this: The Dungeon people complained when their costs went up 75% along with an expansion of material that was supposed to have been “free”. The Poly people are now complaining because their product is going back to where it was just 4 issues ago. No comparison. Edit: I said a few posts above that there would still be a lot more Poly than there was. I will retract that. But that does not impact my analysis regarding Poly people getting what they paid for. [/QUOTE]
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