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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 969098" data-attributes="member: 8439"><p>Well, your use of a term like "cultural assailants" puts you pretty far down on the respectometer at one shot, but I'll give it a moment anyway. The entire scientific community has been biased in the past, and allowed blatently rediculous ideas on race and gender to be put forth as fact. While I like Dawkins better for popularized biology, Stephen Gould is great for pointing out where science has gone embarrassingly wrong.</p><p></p><p>As for your post of cites...</p><p></p><p>One blatently political peice which refers to studies but gives no information on the statistical relevance to the data, or variable spread within the groups as opposed to between them...</p><p></p><p>One incredibly vauge comment about genetic differences being "greater than thought" with no impact on psychology whatsoever...</p><p></p><p>One purely anatomical test on cadavers (no ages listed, no reason to believe that the results are not due to socialization, as brains can be like muscles, they grow in the ways you use them) reported in a journalistic rather than scientific fashion, and with no actual data on possible behavioural results...</p><p></p><p>Another summary article, long on generalizations, short on useful facts... makes some hard to back up claims about infant research (wich I've had some expereince with and know is very hard to do objectively) the same old comments about differences in adult brains and then reduces the validity of those itself when it quotes "Interestingly, when we deliberately change sex-role behavior -- say, men become more nurturing or women more aggressive -- our hormones and even our brains respond by changing, too" indicating that the brain differences may be effect and not cause...</p><p></p><p>...and some references to other opinion peices which may or may not have useful scientific data...</p><p></p><p>You have linked to NOTHING which supports a premise that men and woman have biological, geneticly based behavioural differences great enough to warrent the sweeping generalizations people have made about how (all) men will behave as opposed to (all) women. At best you might have the kind of statements you can make on height - The average man is taller than the average woman, but the variation within the two groups is greater than that between, and its better to see how tall the person you're talking to really is rather than guessing based on their gender.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and as far as I'm concerned any more attempts to waste my time (or give weight to your arguments) with a pile of links will be ignored. That was far more offensive to me as a scientist than a woman. </p><p></p><p>Kahuna burger</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 969098, member: 8439"] Well, your use of a term like "cultural assailants" puts you pretty far down on the respectometer at one shot, but I'll give it a moment anyway. The entire scientific community has been biased in the past, and allowed blatently rediculous ideas on race and gender to be put forth as fact. While I like Dawkins better for popularized biology, Stephen Gould is great for pointing out where science has gone embarrassingly wrong. As for your post of cites... One blatently political peice which refers to studies but gives no information on the statistical relevance to the data, or variable spread within the groups as opposed to between them... One incredibly vauge comment about genetic differences being "greater than thought" with no impact on psychology whatsoever... One purely anatomical test on cadavers (no ages listed, no reason to believe that the results are not due to socialization, as brains can be like muscles, they grow in the ways you use them) reported in a journalistic rather than scientific fashion, and with no actual data on possible behavioural results... Another summary article, long on generalizations, short on useful facts... makes some hard to back up claims about infant research (wich I've had some expereince with and know is very hard to do objectively) the same old comments about differences in adult brains and then reduces the validity of those itself when it quotes "Interestingly, when we deliberately change sex-role behavior -- say, men become more nurturing or women more aggressive -- our hormones and even our brains respond by changing, too" indicating that the brain differences may be effect and not cause... ...and some references to other opinion peices which may or may not have useful scientific data... You have linked to NOTHING which supports a premise that men and woman have biological, geneticly based behavioural differences great enough to warrent the sweeping generalizations people have made about how (all) men will behave as opposed to (all) women. At best you might have the kind of statements you can make on height - The average man is taller than the average woman, but the variation within the two groups is greater than that between, and its better to see how tall the person you're talking to really is rather than guessing based on their gender. Oh, and as far as I'm concerned any more attempts to waste my time (or give weight to your arguments) with a pile of links will be ignored. That was far more offensive to me as a scientist than a woman. Kahuna burger [/QUOTE]
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