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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 976605" data-attributes="member: 8704">Well the person you quoted was making a statement against the person she quoted generalizing the actions of women, then you stated that your wife and every woman you know (except a teenager who's opinion you don't respect) agreed with the other side of that, which was:quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Artimoff Yes but the women who rescue their men in this way usualy think less of that man. I'm not saying women don't/can't rescue men in thisa way, it's just that women put the situation in the evergrowing column of reasons to question their relationship with him (he becomes less desireable). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------So are you saying that most women would think less of a man because they had to rescue them? That is what she was defending against in the statement you quoted. I drew my conclusion from what you quoted and the points she was trying to make which was that the above was a bogus statement on the gereralized reations of most women. You see any answer depends on your preception of the original question not any actual given facts. What you call a fair characterization of the term "somewhat ineffectual" is that the person:  My characterization of somewhat ineffectual (based on the stories this is mimicing) is a very hansome man on Mars who just happens not to be able to fight the aliens on his own. Look if you asked "would you fall in love with a 80 pound weakling who had no redeming value as a living creature?" then most people (male and female) are going to answer no, there is not a lot of love out there for the totally inept. Now if you asked the question " If you rescued the most wonderful and attractive man the world has ever seen, would the fact that he isn't a incredible fighting machine instantly make you decide to never think of him in any sort of romantic way for the rest of your life regardless of any future events?" well you will get different replies for sure. We are basing the whole picture of what is going on on the term "somewhat ineffectual".  What do we have to go on, well we have to look back at the types of stories the game is based on, and in them the female characters were stunningly beautiful and very helpful to the hero, they just couldn't rescue themselves. That is a very workable definition for "somewhat ineffectual" why does "somewhat ineffectual" keep getting pushed down to the realm of braindead doofus?You could really boil this whole thread down to a agruement on whether women are attracted to men who can't fight. "Are women attracted to guys who can't fight as well as they can?" Well I know in my case yes because I have never been in a fight in my life and my wife is mean as a snake (she took a baseball bat to her ex and chased him for almost a mile with it). I'm in no way a weakling, heck I worked construction for years I just don't like to fist fight. Why you could say that in a fistfight I am "somewhat ineffectual" and that is something that made absolutly no difference to her, I mean really when you get into your 30's who cares if you can streetfight or not? Heck she was actually happy that I'm not the kind of guy that goes around getting into barfights. When you are talking about somebody you are going to fall in love with and spend the rest of your life with just how much weight do you give to the fact that they were captured and had to be rescued? By what a lot of people are saying that's a deal breaker, the one fact that they had to have a woman rescue them makes them not good enough for them regardless of every other possible fact or reason or personality trait there is, the ability to fight is the only thing that is important in this choice. I think it is safe to say that there is no real answer here, some people say no and some people say yes but when you get right down to it who has actually had this situation come up and had to deal with this in real life? Who here has married somebody they had to rescue from aliens? Can anybody really say that they would never fall in love with somebody based only on their lack of martial ability? Can anyone honestly give a 100% true statement on how they would react in such a outlandish fantasy setting? Can anybody say that all or even most of the billions of females on the planet would react one way or another every single time? What if the person in question was on a planet where every male was enslaved? Would she deem all men to be below her and unworthy of her love? Would she live alone for the rest of her life because there were no men on the planet that could match her fighting ability? Lets face it you cannot answer a question on how all or most women would react to anything, heck I can't answer a question on how my wife will react to me not getting the dishes washed after dinner more-less how she would react if she was Jane Carter Warlordess of Mars.</blockquote>

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