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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 7215244" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!In situations like these, I also use the...what do you want to call it? &quot;Cheese Factor?&quot;, &quot;Intention of?&quot;, or maybe the &quot;Startrek Transporter Logic?&quot; effect. That is...sure, the &quot;RAW&quot; may indicate one thing, but the RAW also can't cover everything possible. Ergo, needing a DM.A player trying to do this is trying to, imho, &quot;cheat the system&quot;. He's trying to &quot;Bag of Rats&quot;, or &quot;Pun-Pun&quot; the game. This is never fun or good for a campaign in the long run. Oh, sure, may be amusing the first time it comes up, but like mom always used to say...It's all fun and games until someone looses a PC.DM: You failed your save? Ok then. You turn into a fish. Then he puts you in a small iron box. Then puts that in a Leomunds Chest. You die. Make a new PC.&nbsp; That was sure fun, wasn't it?The player would be non-plussed. Maybe be amused the first time it happened...but after the group sees this happen multiple times over a few months play? Not so much fun anymore. Personally, it fails my &quot;Intent trumps RAW&quot; DM guideline. What is the intent of the caster? To turn someone into a fish? Ok. Fine. That's the kind of thing Polymorph is for. ... ... To insta-kill something with a spell that isn't intended to do that? Nope. Fails the &quot;intent&quot; smell test. The PLAYER is intending to kill his opponent via some rules Shenanigans (my friend calls this the &quot;Shenanigans&quot; rule; but anyone can call Shenanigans once per session, on anything, for a pause in the game and a group discussion).But that's me. YMMV.^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pming, post: 7215244, member: 45197"] Hiya! In situations like these, I also use the...what do you want to call it? "Cheese Factor?", "Intention of?", or maybe the "Startrek Transporter Logic?" effect. That is...sure, the "RAW" may indicate one thing, but the RAW also can't cover everything possible. Ergo, needing a DM. A player trying to do this is trying to, imho, "cheat the system". He's trying to "Bag of Rats", or "Pun-Pun" the game. This is never fun or good for a campaign in the long run. Oh, sure, may be amusing the first time it comes up, but like mom always used to say...[I]It's all fun and games until someone looses a PC[/I]. DM: You failed your save? Ok then. You turn into a fish. Then he puts you in a small iron box. Then puts that in a Leomunds Chest. You die. Make a new PC. That was sure fun, wasn't it? The player would be non-plussed. Maybe be amused the first time it happened...but after the group sees this happen multiple times over a few months play? Not so much fun anymore. Personally, it fails my "Intent trumps RAW" DM guideline. What is the [I]intent[/I] of the caster? To turn someone into a fish? Ok. Fine. That's the kind of thing Polymorph is for. ... ... To insta-kill something with a spell that isn't intended to do that? Nope. Fails the "intent" smell test. The PLAYER is intending to kill his opponent via some rules Shenanigans (my friend calls this the "Shenanigans" rule; but anyone can call Shenanigans once per session, on anything, for a pause in the game and a group discussion). But that's me. YMMV. ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]

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