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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 611975" data-attributes="member: 1118">Ah, it was you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />.&nbsp; I apologize to you Ki Ryn <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The thing is, I DO get it (and I even said I knew it had been errata'ed to death so the PHB errata was probably out of date), and I have read the other threads (it was me and hong vs you in the last one)Anyway, I'm going to stick with constrict being a &quot;natural&quot; ability for this spell as it just makes senses to me, while following the letter of an overly errata'ed spell does not.See what I was talking about Dan - there are people that believe there ARE natural abilities (other than movement) just because there is a defined term (much like a shield bonus).&nbsp; Spirit vs Letter.&nbsp; Spirit vs Letter.&nbsp; I only posted this for hong's benefit, in case he hadn't seen that, and not to get into this again because neither of us are going to switch positions on this.IceBear</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 611975, member: 1118"] Ah, it was you :D. I apologize to you Ki Ryn :) The thing is, I DO get it (and I even said I knew it had been errata'ed to death so the PHB errata was probably out of date), and I have read the other threads (it was me and hong vs you in the last one) Anyway, I'm going to stick with constrict being a "natural" ability for this spell as it just makes senses to me, while following the letter of an overly errata'ed spell does not. See what I was talking about Dan - there are people that believe there ARE natural abilities (other than movement) just because there is a defined term (much like a shield bonus). Spirit vs Letter. Spirit vs Letter. I only posted this for hong's benefit, in case he hadn't seen that, and not to get into this again because neither of us are going to switch positions on this. IceBear [/QUOTE]

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