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<blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2773425" data-attributes="member: 32300"><p>There appears some confusion</p><p></p><p>If you do not keep your VoP after shape change, if the DM rules this, then the person shape changing would in theory not be bound by VoP</p><p></p><p>However, this is all based on rules saying that when you shape change you lose access etc to Supernatural abilities etc.</p><p></p><p>Problem is, this is taking shapechangng rues out of context in regard to VoP. VoP redefines a lot of rules, and has been stated, requires a mature audience to use it.</p><p></p><p>VoP is a belief, and wiht that belief, comes power, that belief doesnt change wiht shape change, and niether should the powers, Humna, elf, dragon or bear, its still you inside, and you have taken the Vow.</p><p></p><p>The source or location of these powers is immaterial, you have been granted the powers through adherence to a belief, and they will follow you through any and all transformations, unless you break the Vow.</p><p></p><p>If however, you rule they are Supernatural abilites, as defined by the rules, and the abilities are lost in shapechanging, then your players might rightyl feel if theres no benefits, theres no restrictions, and utilise this loophole to hoard gear in a shapechanged form as described above, then ditch it when they need ot revert to thier VoP form</p><p></p><p>This is why its of paramount importance to understand the "Spirit" of the rules in books like "The Book of Exalted Deeds" or "The Book of Vile Darkness". They arent just rule books, they are flavour books, power books, items to be used wiht caution by gamers mature enough to handle the content.</p><p></p><p>There are no fart jokes in the either BoED or BoVD</p><p></p><p>Feegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nac_Mac_Feegle, post: 2773425, member: 32300"] There appears some confusion If you do not keep your VoP after shape change, if the DM rules this, then the person shape changing would in theory not be bound by VoP However, this is all based on rules saying that when you shape change you lose access etc to Supernatural abilities etc. Problem is, this is taking shapechangng rues out of context in regard to VoP. VoP redefines a lot of rules, and has been stated, requires a mature audience to use it. VoP is a belief, and wiht that belief, comes power, that belief doesnt change wiht shape change, and niether should the powers, Humna, elf, dragon or bear, its still you inside, and you have taken the Vow. The source or location of these powers is immaterial, you have been granted the powers through adherence to a belief, and they will follow you through any and all transformations, unless you break the Vow. If however, you rule they are Supernatural abilites, as defined by the rules, and the abilities are lost in shapechanging, then your players might rightyl feel if theres no benefits, theres no restrictions, and utilise this loophole to hoard gear in a shapechanged form as described above, then ditch it when they need ot revert to thier VoP form This is why its of paramount importance to understand the "Spirit" of the rules in books like "The Book of Exalted Deeds" or "The Book of Vile Darkness". They arent just rule books, they are flavour books, power books, items to be used wiht caution by gamers mature enough to handle the content. There are no fart jokes in the either BoED or BoVD Feegle Out :cool: [/QUOTE]
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