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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cmanos" data-source="post: 2775557" data-attributes="member: 25472">Um, if you had read my post fully, yuou would see I am against the idea of someone losing the vow when changing shape.  How that shape change occurs is immaterial.  If the character changes shape, the vow still stays in effect, with all benefits and drawbacks.OK, allowing someone to change shape and lose the restrictions and bonuses of the vow while in their changed shape is begging to have someone assume a different shape than when they took their vow so they can wear armor, wield weapons and whatnot, until it comes to a point when they need the benefits of the vow.  At which point, they drop the equipment and change shape.  A vow is a vow is a vow in no matter what form you take.  You don't see it as abusive to take an exalted vow of poverty and then change form and not be restricted by the vow?  I do.  I see it as abusive and trying to weasel your way out of a pact you have made with the celestials.  You have taken a vow to forswear all wealth.  That vow will transcend whatever form you are in.  The powers you have sworn the vow to aren't going to let you out of it just because you look different.  You are still the same soul and mind.  Thank, you, FeagleI am not accusing you personally of anything.  I am staing if you allow someone to not be bound by the Vow in a different form than they took the vow, you are asking for someone to abuse the situation.  I think we all know people who would look for a loophole in the situation so they could horde stuff for some situations, and then drop the stuff and change to their Vowed state to reap the benefits of the vow.Perhaps I did not word things as clearly as I should have.  A lot of times I see things like this as "How can I get out of the restrictions while still reaping the benefits?"I am not going to look up all the relevant rules.  For one thing I don't have all the relevant books to look up.  If the benefits and restrictions of the vow do not apply when you shapechange, and the character still acts under the restricions, the vow would stay in effect.  If on the other hand, the character looks at the shapechange as a way to gain wealth, while still retaining the benefits in a different form, then the vow has been broken.On the question of do the benefits of the vow apply after shapechange.  Again, I don't have the relevant books to look things up.  I will defer to those who have all the books within arms reach and know the rules better than me.</blockquote>

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