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<blockquote data-quote="da chicken" data-source="post: 351293" data-attributes="member: 5634">You're right about the HD limit (it's caster limited, not subject limited).&nbsp; I'd forgotten they added that, too.&nbsp; Still, you don't want to have this argument.&nbsp; It is too easy for me to win:TrollHit Dice: 6d8+36Abilities: Str 23, Dex 14, Con 23Size: LargeReach: 10 ftAC: +7 naturalDarkvision, 60'3 natural attacksI said death sentence, not instant death.Yes, there are rules for suffocation.&nbsp; You use the drowning rules.&nbsp; So, sure.&nbsp; Hold your breath.&nbsp; You can do that Con x2 rounds no problem.&nbsp; If you're lucky, somebody will throw you into some water.&nbsp; Of course, a carp probably hasn't got a very high Con....&nbsp; I'd say 8, or 10 if you're lucky.And if you don find water when your time is up, you start to suffocate.&nbsp; You have to make progressively more difficult Con checks, starting at DC 10 and increasing by 1 each round.&nbsp; It is, for all intents and purposes, mathematically impossible to survive 10 rounds of Con checks with a normal (18 or less) Con score.&nbsp; There is a 0.11% chance for a Con 18 character in the first 10 rounds to not fail a check.&nbsp; Yes, that's eleven hundredths of a percent.&nbsp; When you fail one check, you fall unconcious and go to 0 hp.&nbsp; Gee, guess what?&nbsp; Now you're taking zero (this is the part where a human would start to aspirate water).&nbsp; Next round, -1 and dying.&nbsp; Next round death.It doesn't really matter what I turn you into.&nbsp; A snail.&nbsp; A turtle.&nbsp; A jellyfish.&nbsp; A shark.&nbsp; A manta.&nbsp; The last three are probably best, as the form is big and heavy (well, not the jellyfish), and there probably isn't enough ocean water nearby.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="da chicken, post: 351293, member: 5634"] You're right about the HD limit (it's caster limited, not subject limited). I'd forgotten they added that, too. Still, you don't want to have this argument. It is too easy for me to win: Troll Hit Dice: 6d8+36 Abilities: Str 23, Dex 14, Con 23 Size: Large Reach: 10 ft AC: +7 natural Darkvision, 60' 3 natural attacks [B][/B] I said death [i]sentence[/i], not instant death. [B][/B] Yes, there are rules for suffocation. You use the drowning rules. So, sure. Hold your breath. You can do that Con x2 rounds no problem. If you're lucky, somebody will throw you into some water. Of course, a carp probably hasn't got a very high Con.... I'd say 8, or 10 if you're lucky. And if you don find water when your time is up, you start to suffocate. You have to make progressively more difficult Con checks, starting at DC 10 and increasing by 1 each round. It is, for all intents and purposes, mathematically impossible to survive 10 rounds of Con checks with a normal (18 or less) Con score. There is a 0.11% chance for a Con 18 character in the first 10 rounds to not fail a check. Yes, that's [i]eleven hundredths of a percent[/i]. When you fail one check, you fall unconcious and go to 0 hp. Gee, guess what? Now you're taking zero (this is the part where a human would start to aspirate water). Next round, -1 and dying. Next round death. It doesn't really matter what I turn you into. A snail. A turtle. A jellyfish. A shark. A manta. The last three are probably best, as the form is big and heavy (well, not the jellyfish), and there probably isn't enough ocean water nearby. [/QUOTE]

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