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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guy Fullerton" data-source="post: 351672" data-attributes="member: 2747">Just to clarify, it is limited by the higher of caster and subject. From Tome and Blood:"The new form ... can have no more Hit Dice than you have, or that the subject has (whichever is greater), and in any case the assumed form cannot have more than 15 Hit Dice."I wasn't having that argument. I was only pointing out an inaccuracy in your post. (The players in my group regularly polymorph into Trolls and Annises because of the obvious benefits.)Point taken. I guess I was responding more to the fact that you called it a "save-or-die spell." I disagree that it's a save-or-die spell, since (to me) that term means you are dead the instant you fail your save, which simply isn't true with respect to Polymorph Other.PO is particularly deadly to monsters/NPCs, since they often face the party alone. PO is far less deadly to PCs, since (after they defeat the foe) they usually have lots of ways to fix the polymorphed PC before Con rounds are up.To pick nits: 8 is too low, IMO. 10 would be fine. (There's not a single Animal in the MM with less than 10 Con. Animals have average to good Con scores as a general rule.)</blockquote>