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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 3743500" data-attributes="member: 19857">I think there's an assumption built into this stance, and I've bolded it.&nbsp; I strongly doubt that Wish will still be a 9th level spell.&nbsp; With the stretching of the levels from 1-30, I suspect that IF Wish is maintained in the new rules (which, given what we're seeing so far, actually may be a big IF), it will no longer be a &quot;9th level spell&quot; and probably won't be accessible to casters until 25th level or so.&nbsp; And Wish is going to need some serious re-working if they're getting rid of XP costs for spells.Anyway, back on target, I don't see why there necessarily should be a spell that allows you to change shape within a range of forms.&nbsp; I think a case can be made for a lot of different spells that each let you take a different form.&nbsp; A case can also be made for keeping the &quot;baleful polymorph&quot; spell that lets you turn an opponent into a variety of harmless forms (that doesn't affect game balance, really) which would keep your &quot;Circe&quot; concern from being a problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 3743500, member: 19857"] I think there's an assumption built into this stance, and I've bolded it. I strongly doubt that Wish will still be a 9th level spell. With the stretching of the levels from 1-30, I suspect that IF Wish is maintained in the new rules (which, given what we're seeing so far, actually may be a big IF), it will no longer be a "9th level spell" and probably won't be accessible to casters until 25th level or so. And Wish is going to need some serious re-working if they're getting rid of XP costs for spells. Anyway, back on target, I don't see why there necessarily should be a spell that allows you to change shape within a range of forms. I think a case can be made for a lot of different spells that each let you take a different form. A case can also be made for keeping the "baleful polymorph" spell that lets you turn an opponent into a variety of harmless forms (that doesn't affect game balance, really) which would keep your "Circe" concern from being a problem. [/QUOTE]

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