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<blockquote data-quote="Rashak Mani" data-source="post: 1197836" data-attributes="member: 642"><p>OK I just read 90% of the polymorph threads I could find with my "search" engine. (Alphabetic ordering of thread titles). I still have doubts and some fine tuning in regard to the spell. I am basing myself in the "final" 3.0 Polymorph Other version of the Tome and Blood.</p><p></p><p>1. Darkvision is a natural ability ? Nowhere is this specified. (Low light was defined.) For example if I poly into a Troglodyte I get 90' vision ?</p><p></p><p>2. Another thread mentioned that Undead are immune to Fort Saves if the spell doesn't include objects. So why the hell did they mention undeads in the T&B version ?! Undead are in fact immune to polymorph other ?</p><p></p><p>3. Just to make sure I got the stuff right: If my paltry Sorceror turns himself into a troll what do I gain ? </p><p>My guess => +7 Natural Armor, 23 Str, 14 Dex, 23 Con BAB same as before. Darkvision 90'. What about gaining rend... is it a "natural" attack ? </p><p></p><p>4. Another example... I transform a Mindflayer into a Fish. </p><p>a - His only supernatural ability is Telepathy, which he loses. </p><p>b - He is drowning correct ? </p><p>c - He cannot speak... so can he do Charm Monster ? Suggestion is impossible for sure.</p><p>d - He is a fish that can still mindblast, planeshift and levitate right ? </p><p>e - If he planeshifts... he still "drowns" in another plane no ?</p><p></p><p>5. Any errata on Damage Reduction being Supernatural ? PO can take away DR !</p><p></p><p>- - - - - - - - - - - - - </p><p></p><p>Adapted Rule Area</p><p></p><p>6. I think its an unbalanced spell as do most threads. I don't want my DM to ban it outright... what are the most reasonable limitations and house rulings you guys have done to control PolyOther abuse ? What are the weak points of the spell that "balance" it that I might use to argue my case ?</p><p></p><p>7. Its not mentioned in the T&B version... but do many people use the "reverts to original form" when creature dies ? </p><p>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</p><p></p><p>Suggestions and Tactics Area (Note I am a 13th lvl Sorceror - Human)</p><p></p><p>8. What are the best ways to "kill" or incapacitate various creatures ? The one I thought was transforming them into aquatic creatures that eventually "drown." Other forms that can stop Spell like abilities ?</p><p></p><p>9. Any stories about dumb PO choices ? Making the enemy more dangerous... or he that he could escape more easily ?</p><p></p><p>10. Any neat tactics that can be used with PO ? I have a druid in the group... I could make her into way more dangerous cretures... Umber Hulk for burrowing for example. Any others ?</p><p></p><p>11. List what are the best forms for a spellcaster to use. I don't want to wade into combat myself. I want suggestions for medium size creatures that can still cast spells as well as large ones.</p><p></p><p> Thanks... and sorry for bringing this much debated on spell....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rashak Mani, post: 1197836, member: 642"] OK I just read 90% of the polymorph threads I could find with my "search" engine. (Alphabetic ordering of thread titles). I still have doubts and some fine tuning in regard to the spell. I am basing myself in the "final" 3.0 Polymorph Other version of the Tome and Blood. 1. Darkvision is a natural ability ? Nowhere is this specified. (Low light was defined.) For example if I poly into a Troglodyte I get 90' vision ? 2. Another thread mentioned that Undead are immune to Fort Saves if the spell doesn't include objects. So why the hell did they mention undeads in the T&B version ?! Undead are in fact immune to polymorph other ? 3. Just to make sure I got the stuff right: If my paltry Sorceror turns himself into a troll what do I gain ? My guess => +7 Natural Armor, 23 Str, 14 Dex, 23 Con BAB same as before. Darkvision 90'. What about gaining rend... is it a "natural" attack ? 4. Another example... I transform a Mindflayer into a Fish. a - His only supernatural ability is Telepathy, which he loses. b - He is drowning correct ? c - He cannot speak... so can he do Charm Monster ? Suggestion is impossible for sure. d - He is a fish that can still mindblast, planeshift and levitate right ? e - If he planeshifts... he still "drowns" in another plane no ? 5. Any errata on Damage Reduction being Supernatural ? PO can take away DR ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - Adapted Rule Area 6. I think its an unbalanced spell as do most threads. I don't want my DM to ban it outright... what are the most reasonable limitations and house rulings you guys have done to control PolyOther abuse ? What are the weak points of the spell that "balance" it that I might use to argue my case ? 7. Its not mentioned in the T&B version... but do many people use the "reverts to original form" when creature dies ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Suggestions and Tactics Area (Note I am a 13th lvl Sorceror - Human) 8. What are the best ways to "kill" or incapacitate various creatures ? The one I thought was transforming them into aquatic creatures that eventually "drown." Other forms that can stop Spell like abilities ? 9. Any stories about dumb PO choices ? Making the enemy more dangerous... or he that he could escape more easily ? 10. Any neat tactics that can be used with PO ? I have a druid in the group... I could make her into way more dangerous cretures... Umber Hulk for burrowing for example. Any others ? 11. List what are the best forms for a spellcaster to use. I don't want to wade into combat myself. I want suggestions for medium size creatures that can still cast spells as well as large ones. Thanks... and sorry for bringing this much debated on spell.... [/QUOTE]
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