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<blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1199188" data-attributes="member: 14225">Skip Williams said that you could still Turn Undead while you were polymorphed.Skip Williams did it like this:When you have a class, it constantly grants you whatever bonuses it provides. So while you lose the Turn Undead ability when the spell is cast - you don't lose the Cleric levels and you thus imediately get the ability to Turn Undead.Similarly, when you have a strength of 12 and a +4 bonus from bull's strength and then you Polymorph into a Troll - your strength is 23. But then your strength immediately rises to 27 because the separate effect that grants a +4 bonus is not removed even though the strength is momentarily superceded.That's Skip Williams, and it does make sense - much more so than his pathetic hand waiving about natural abilities.You're welcome to play that way - but the author's have said that they never intended that to happen.That's why, for example, there is all that weird crap about &quot;class granted abilities&quot; in 3.5: They never intended Polymorph to gank peoples' class features; and they completely suck at writing comprehensible rules with regards to Polymorph.And of course, Karinsdad's response is in turn simply not worth the time in responding to.-Frank</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrankTrollman, post: 1199188, member: 14225"] Skip Williams said that you could still Turn Undead while you were polymorphed. Skip Williams did it like this: When you have a class, it constantly grants you whatever bonuses it provides. So while you lose the Turn Undead ability when the spell is cast - you don't lose the Cleric levels and you thus imediately get the ability to Turn Undead. Similarly, when you have a strength of 12 and a +4 bonus from [i]bull's strength[/i] and then you Polymorph into a Troll - your strength is 23. But then your strength immediately rises to 27 because the separate effect that grants a +4 bonus is not removed even though the strength is momentarily superceded. That's Skip Williams, and it [i]does[/i] make sense - much more so than his pathetic hand waiving about natural abilities. You're welcome to play that way - but the author's have said that they never intended that to happen. That's why, for example, there is all that weird crap about "class granted abilities" in 3.5: They [i]never[/i] intended Polymorph to gank peoples' class features; and they completely suck at writing comprehensible rules with regards to Polymorph. And of course, Karinsdad's response is in turn simply not worth the time in responding to. -Frank [/QUOTE]

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